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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig W. Miller
    It normally takes 2 weeks for you laser finger prints to clear and then the PERC is sent out after the IL DPR gets all of your paperwork. In most cases it takes anywhere from 2 weeks after your fingerprints clear to 2 months. IDPR is backed up right now.
    Actaully your fingerprints via Live Scan clear in about two hours as long as there is not problems developed. Everything is automated. Once a problem is developed a human must get involved and there comes a problem and delay. Several weeks minimum if you send in a printed card.

    DPR is the hold-up. Since theyt were combined with other agencies it has only gotten worse.

    When calling the DPR ask them if the fingerprints have cleared. If they tell you they have the FBI but not the State Police you have a problem. The State Police always clears first and are then sent onto the FBI. If this happens the best course of action would be to have your fingerprints resubmitted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by William G Sheehan
    Actaully your fingerprints via Live Scan clear in about two hours as long as there is not problems developed. Everything is automated. Once a problem is developed a human must get involved and there comes a problem and delay. Several weeks minimum if you send in a printed card.

    DPR is the hold-up. Since theyt were combined with other agencies it has only gotten worse.

    When calling the DPR ask them if the fingerprints have cleared. If they tell you they have the FBI but not the State Police you have a problem. The State Police always clears first and are then sent onto the FBI. If this happens the best course of action would be to have your fingerprints resubmitted.
    AHHHH, I use to teach the 20hr security class for a larger security firm and "my response" was what I was told by the administration of the agency. My students would ask why it had been a month to sometimes several months for thier PERC to arrive....mystery solved!
    Thanks Bill

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    I'm have completed course work for a private investigator and have recieved my diploma. I currently work in a county jail as

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    correctional officer where I do on a daily basis run warrants on people arrested,fingerprinted them and have taken their photographs and have sent this information to the FBI. I also run criminal histories for the states attorney to help in relaying important infomation for court appearances.Law enforcement is such an exciting career to be in . I wish to continue this by working with an agency and becoming a private Investigator


    thank you

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    PERC is a pain...

    You can go online to see if your state / federal background check has occurred. Based upon my experience, once the agency sees your state check has passed, they can use you even before you get your PERF card. The key is the state check has passed.

    I have seen PERC cards go through very quickly and I also know one guy whose federal check was not compete after 1 years.

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    How to see PERC information

    For those who want to check the PERC status of someone, you can go to https://www.idfpr.com/dpr/licenselookup/default.asp

    You need to choose PERC - Permanent Employee Registration, last name, first letter (optional). The last name can be a subset of the whole name to allow a wider search, if you so choose.

    The information returned is the following:

    Licensee's Name DBA /
    AKA License
    Number License
    Status City, State Original
    Issue
    Date Current
    Exprtn Ever
    Discplned?

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    Hi Judy!
    Thanks for the info; very informative



    Quote Originally Posted by Judy Snyder
    The following is a quote from the Illinois statute for Exemptions to licensing:


    NO LICENSE NEEDED (EXEMPTIONS):


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    HI, this is a quote that was posted on another forum/thread by an investigatgor familiar with licensing exemption Laws for this state. See it as you would Enjoy !


    PI LICENSING: Illinois

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    The following is a quote from the Illinois statute for Exemptions to licensing:



    NO LICENSE NEEDED (EXEMPTIONS):
    Quote:
    Sec. 30. Exemptions to licensing:
    (a) This Act does not apply to:
    A person engaged exclusively and employed by a person,
    firm, association, or corporation in the business of transporting
    persons or property in interstate commerce and making an
    investigation related to the business of that employer.

    Any person, watchman, or guard employed exclusively and
    regularly by one employer in connection with the affairs of that
    employer only and there exists an employer/employee relationship.

    A person engaged exclusively in the business of obtaining
    and furnishing information as to the financial rating or credit
    worthiness of persons;

    A person who provides consumer reports in connection with
    Credit transactions involving the consumer on whom
    the information is to be furnished and involving the extensions
    of credit to the consumer.

    A person who provides Information for employment purposes.

    A person who provides Information for the underwriting of insurance involving the consumer.

    An attorney-at-law licensed to practice in Illinois while
    engaging in the practice of law.

    An officer or employee of the United States, this State, or any
    political subdivision of either while the officer or employee is engaged
    in the performance of his or her official duties within the course and
    scope of his or her employment with the United States, this State, or
    any political subdivision of either.

    Insurance adjusters legally employed or under contract as
    adjusters and who engage in no other investigative activities other
    than those directly connected with adjustment of claims against an
    insurance company or self-insured by which they are employed or with
    which they have a contract.

    Any law enforcement officer, as defined in the Illinois
    Police Training Act, who has successfully completed the requirements
    of basic law enforcement and firearms training as prescribed by the
    Illinois Law Enforcement Training Standards Board, employed by an
    employer in connection with the affairs of that employer, provided
    he or she is exclusively employed by the employer during the hours
    or times he or she is scheduled to work for that employer, and there
    exists an employer and employee relationship.

    A person who sells burglar alarm systems and does not
    install, monitor, maintain, alter, repair, service, or respond to
    burglar alarm systems at protected premises or premises to be
    protected, provided:
    (i) The burglar alarm systems are approved either by
    Underwriters Laboratories or another authoritative source
    recognized by the Department and are identified by a
    federally registered trademark.
    (ii) The owner of the trademark has expressly
    authorized the person to sell the trademark owner's
    products, and the person provides proof of this
    authorization upon the request of the Department.
    (iii) The owner of the trademark maintains, and
    provides upon the Department's request, a certificate
    evidencing insurance for bodily injury or property damage
    arising from faulty or defective products in an amount not
    less than $1,000,000 combined single limit; provided that
    the policy of insurance need not relate exclusively to
    burglar alarm systems.

    A person who sells, installs, maintains, or repairs
    automobile alarm systems.

    A person who provides tracing and compiling lineage or ancestry.

    A person who provides servicing, installing, repairing, or rebuilding automotive
    locks by automotive service dealers, as long as they do not hold
    themselves out to the public as locksmiths.

    A person who provides opening a lock in an emergency situation, as long as they do not hold
    themselves out to the public as locksmiths.

    A person who provides duplicating keys, from installing, servicing, repairing, rebuilding,
    reprogramming, or maintaining electronic garage door devices or from
    selling locks or similar security accessories not prohibited from
    sale by the State of Illinois, as long as they do not hold
    themselves out to the public as locksmiths.

    A person who provides the installation or removal of complete locks or locking
    devices by members of the building trades when doing so in the
    course of residential or commercial new construction or remodeling,
    as long as they do not hold themselves out to the public as
    locksmiths.

    A person who provides towing services, repossessors, or auto
    clubs from opening automotive locks in the normal course of their
    duties, as long as they do not hold themselves out to the public as
    locksmiths. Additionally, this Act shall not prohibit employees of
    towing services from opening motor vehicle locks to enable a vehicle
    to be moved without towing, provided that the towing service does
    not hold itself out to the public, by yellow page advertisement,
    through a sign at the facilities of the towing service, or by any
    other advertisement, as a locksmith.

    A person who provides the practice of locksmithing by students in the course of
    study in programs approved by the Department, provided that the
    students do not hold themselves out to the public as locksmiths.
    (G) Servicing, installing, repairing, or rebuilding locks by a
    lock manufacturer or anyone employed by a lock manufacturer, as long
    as they do not hold themselves out to the public as locksmiths.
    (H) The provision of any of the products or services in the
    practice of locksmithing as identified in Section 5 of this Act by a
    business licensed by the State of Illinois as a private alarm
    contractor or private alarm contractor agency, as long as the
    principal purpose of the services provided to a customer is not the
    practice of locksmithing and the business does not hold itself out
    to the public as a locksmith agency.
    (I) Any maintenance employee of a property management company
    at a multi-family residential building from servicing, installing,
    repairing, or opening locks for tenants as long as the maintenance
    employee does not hold himself or herself out to the public as a
    locksmith.

    A person who provides fire protection engineering, including the design, testing, and
    inspection of fire protection systems.

    A person who provides professional engineering as defined in the
    Professional Engineering Practice Act of 1989.
    (L) The practice of structural engineering as defined in the
    Structural Engineering Practice Act of 1989.
    (M) The practice of architecture as defined in the Illinois
    Architecture Practice Act of 1989.

    A person who provides services under the Illinois Public Accounting Act if performed in the course of their
    professional practice.

    A person who provides any service that this Act does not prohibit as regulated in this State under any other Act from engaging in the practice for which they are licensed, provided that they do not represent themselves by any title prohibited by this Act.
    (Source: P.A. 89-366, eff. 1-1-96; 90-436, eff. 1-1-98; 90-633, eff.
    7-24-98; 91-91, eff. 1-1-00.)



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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Atkinson
    correctional officer where I do on a daily basis run warrants on people arrested,fingerprinted them and have taken their photographs and have sent this information to the FBI. I also run criminal histories for the states attorney to help in relaying important infomation for court appearances.Law enforcement is such an exciting career to be in . I wish to continue this by working with an agency and becoming a private Investigator


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    There are numerous exemptions. The hardest requirement that IL has is the time in the field under an agency. It's a great requirement but finding an agency to take you under their wing is a different story.

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    I am on the understanding that to be able to get licensed in the state of Illinois that an individual must work under a licensed investigator or work in some form of law enforcement for a period of at least 3 years before being able to apply and get a license to work as a Private Investigator in the state of Illinois.I am currently working in a county jail as a guard and perform alot of duties which require me to run back ground checks,run criminal histories, search for warrants and to also cancel warrants when a suspect is arrested,I also recieve messages from other counties and states via leads and respond to those messages sent .so I believev I am gaining alot of information and skill that is or will be required of me

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    what are some ideas as to how to get private investigator companies to help those who wish to enter this exciting field of law enforcement as I consider it . I am willing to except what ever it takes for this is what I want to do and have also wanted to do. thank you

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    You are gaining a TON of valuable skills that you can apply later in the field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Atkinson
    what are some ideas as to how to get private investigator companies to help those who wish to enter this exciting field of law enforcement as I consider it . I am willing to except what ever it takes for this is what I want to do and have also wanted to do. thank you

    Michael Atkinson
    Well, IPIU is a great start. Read the forums. There are several ideas, information, and helpful tips form all levels of investigators. From beginner all the way up to "down right salty dogs" As far as labelling PI work as a form of "law enforcement" some areas could loosely far under that I guess. There are so many paths that I an investigator can travel, find the one or ones that fit you best and run with the ball. For starters, I dont know what level that you are at, but as you get to level 4, look at the IPIU assignments areas. Wonderful operatunity around every corner in here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael Atkinson
    what are some ideas as to how to get private investigator companies to help those who wish to enter this exciting field of law enforcement as I consider it . I am willing to except what ever it takes for this is what I want to do and have also wanted to do. thank you

    Michael Atkinson
    Well, IPIU is a great start. Read the forums. There are several ideas, information, and helpful tips form all levels of investigators. From beginner all the way up to "down right salty dogs" As far as labelling PI work as a form of "law enforcement" some areas could loosely far under that I guess. There are so many paths that an investigator can travel, find the one or ones that fit you best and run with the ball. For starters, I dont know what level that you are at, but as you get to level 4, look at the IPIU assignments areas. Wonderful opertunity around every corner in here.
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    Re: PI LICENSING: Illinois

    What is a PERC Card? Where do you get such a card?

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    Re: PI LICENSING: Illinois

    Quote Originally Posted by Roman Segal
    What is a PERC Card? Where do you get such a card?
    Roman,

    Go here:
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    Thanks a million Mr Newman

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    Re: PI LICENSING: Illinois

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    Frank MacArthur

    Hey guys,

    I'm hoping this thread will benefit me as well as others.

    I hold a Private Investigators license in the state of Utah. It has been a year and a half so far. I am trying to get t it endorsed in Illinois and IDPR (Illinois Licensing board) is not being helpful.

    I have been told I have 2 options:
    1. Take a licensing test when it becomes available, or
    2. Pay 500 hundred dollars for an endorsement.

    "Pay 500 hundred dollars for an endorsement."
    This seemed like the best idea right? Ha...I was told that it did not guarantee that it would be endorsed.

    I asked what did it depend on and I was told that it depended on:
    The review board...the people that approve license.

    I asked what governed their decision again the IDPR representative informed me they did not know. There are a list of things that they look for.

    Here it is straight off the website. Altered a little for easier reading.

    1. Supporting Documents must be completed by the jurisdictions of licensure where you have been practicing. You are authorized to photocopy the form if necessary. You must direct the licensing agency/board(s) to return completed form CT directly to you.

    2. Supporting Documents (form ED) must be completed, if applicable, by a school official and have school seal affixed. If school has no seal, Supporting Document ED must be notarized.

    3. Supporting Documents (VE-DET or VE-DSC) must be completed to show proof of qualified professional work experience. These documents will be reviewed to evaluate your professional work experience if the licensure requirements of the state(s) from which you are seeking endorsement are not equivalent to the endorsement requirements of the State of Illinois.

    4. An applicant for licensure MUST submit proof of at least $1,000,000 of liability insurance. This proof must be submitted on Supporting Document DE-INS and may be submitted AFTER notification that all other requirements for licensure have been satisfied.

    5. Security clearance must be obtained before the license is issued. See the back of the reference sheet for instructions on this process.

    6. Application fee payment is indicated on the REFERENCE SHEET (CHART I). Application fee payment must be in the form of a check or money order made payable to Illinois Department of Financial and Professional Regulation.
    This has been changed numerous times so far and these rules are new.

    Has anybody been through this process or taken the test base on having a license?

    ANY kind of help would be highly appreciated. Obviously I would prefer an endorsement but will take a test if that is my only option.

    (For Utah you don't take a test you have to have so many hours of experience.)

    PLEASE HELP. Thank for any help guys.

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    Has anybody been through this process or taken the test base on having a license?

    ANY kind of help would be highly appreciated. Obviously I would prefer an endorsement but will take a test if that is my only option.

    PLEASE HELP. Thank for any help guys.
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    Re: PI LICENSING: Illinois

    Hey guys can any one help me. I am currently trying make since of my previous work history so I can sit for the P.I. test in Illinois. I have 1 year at a PI company and 2 years at a fugitive recovery company doing background checks, skip tracing and internal investigations. While this be sufficient according to those rules above to submit as experience? ANY help would be greatly appreciated.

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    Re: PI LICENSING: Illinois

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    Hey guys can any one help me. I am currently trying make since of my previous work history so I can sit for the P.I. test in Illinois. I have 1 year at a PI company and 2 years at a fugitive recovery company doing background checks, skip tracing and internal investigations. While this be sufficient according to those rules above to submit as experience? ANY help would be greatly appreciated.
    Chris, did you read what Robert gave you for instructions in the earlier post?

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    Re: PI LICENSING: Illinois

    I am looking into getting my PI license in IL and wanted to know if anyone can clairify what I am reading the the rules.

    I am a fire investigator (CFEI) and a professional engineer(IL and other states). What I understand is that I need a PI license to provide fire investigation skills to the public.

    Even though I have been working for ~10+ years in this field for other employers, I only have my PERC card for 1 year. I also have my MBA, and other degrees.

    Is having an MBA along with 1 year of PERC card sufficient to meet the requirements to take the exam? I am basing this from the text in the rules where:
    "An applicant who has a baccalaureate degree, or higher, in law enforcement or a related field or a business degree from an accredited college or university shall be given credit for 2 of the 3 years of the required experience."
    Does anyone know?
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    Re: PI LICENSING: Illinois

    Hello, everyone! I am Marcus, and new here (still working on my profile). I am thoroughly confused about licensure. Four investors and I are looking at becoming a private security contractor in Illinois, to deliver the 40 hour initial training. I know that I have to take an exam, but I cannot find a study guide, topics that will be on the test, or anything I should review before the test.

    I might be able to pass without studying, as I have a 20 year career in Public Safety, Chief Fire Officer Designation, Master's Degree in Criminal Justice, and am a graduate of Northwestern University's School of Police Staff and Command. Can anyone give me some direction on what to study?

    Thanking you in advance for past favors....Marcus

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    Re: P.I. Licensing in Illinois

    Hi stephen I'm intrested in moving to ga and lets chat

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    Re: PI LICENSING: Illinois

    TO ALL CONCERNED: If You are a licensed Private Investigator(Detective) Locksmith,Security Contractor, You "DO NOT NEED " a P.E.R.C/ card in the State of Illinois.

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    Phillip Flores - is offline Lifetime Professional Management Member

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    Re: Illinois License Answers Needed By Many

    You need to take a test in Illinois for Private Detective. I believe it cost $250 for the test and there are three test per year. Scheduled dates in a classroom.

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    Re: PI LICENSING: Illinois

    Richard you may contact me

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    Re: PI LICENSING: Illinois

    Good to know. thank you

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