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    Cool We need to watch them closely

    I agree with you about the hackers, I have yet to encounter one, but it could happen. I have two teens and monitored their every move online. They are on their own now, and I just have my youngest with me, but have his id setup to monitor him when he is online, and the provider I use also has it setup to notify me by email about what my little does online. But he is a good boy and gets online basically to play his games, and I am usually in the room with him. When he gets older it will be a bit harder to control unless I let him know I can find out what he is doing online and maybe that will deter him from being mischieveous online. He has taught himself as well as learned from school how to use the computer, and sometimes teaches me something new, which can be enlightening. We need more parents to be aware of what our children are doing online.

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    Does everyone know that last year or so, it was a 10 year old who wrote the program whereby malicious viruses could be sent thru email and not be traced back to it's point of origin?! At 10 years old, I was wondering where my next meal was coming from....wow.
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    WOw, a ten year old?!? At ten ( and yes, I CAN remember that far back!), I was trying to survive fourth grade.

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    This is a case of tooo much time on your hands. With all of his brians he needs to be a P.I.

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    This reminds me of the young gentleman I knew in the Computer Training for the Disabled class I was in. A very bright young man, allegedly living in a tent behind K-Mart before Vocational Rehabilitation came along. Within the first couple of weeks in the class, he had managed to hack not only the data bases of the instructors, but also the databases of several of the corporate sponsors of the program. He was forced to leave the program. What a shame.

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    Re: Children's minds

    Originally posted by Valerie Roach
    Does everyone know that last year or so, it was a 10 year old who wrote the program whereby malicious viruses could be sent thru email and not be traced back to it's point of origin?! At 10 years old, I was wondering where my next meal was coming from....wow.
    It sure is amazing how bright some kids are, but let's not forget that they are still kids. In today's fast paced society lot's of children are left to their own devices, sure that promotes self-reliance, however, it promotes more negatives suchs as;
    loneliness, un-social behaviours, hermit-syndrom, and getting in trouble more than necessary for attention reagardless if it is negative attention, it's attention they receive nevertheless! But they need to learn the difference between good and bad, and without human interaction and guidance and someone that takes them away from virtual stimulation, they will starve emotionally and spiritually!

    It ails me to see kids sitting in front of either a computer screen or tv screen 24/7 without noticing the beautiful world around them. Weather permitting, when I was a kid I jumped on my bike early in the morning and did not return until the street lights came on, there was way to much awesome stuff out there to investigate instead of sitting in front of the tube....!!

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    I agree with you Tanja. Too much time to spend in front of the TV. And with the parent(s) away at work, the kids are given free rein with the TV set.

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    speaking of hackers

    You know these kids get a big thrill out of hacking. In Las Vegas ever year, there is a big hackers convention, where all these people get together and brag about what they can do.

    And to think of all the harm it does to the individual computer user!

    Thanks for posting the story!

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    It's sad that the hackers see nothing morally or ethically wrong with what they are doing. Although, in a sense I can understand the "thrill". Its all in beating the system.

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    Originally posted by Glenn N Klipp
    This reminds me of the young gentleman I knew in the Computer Training for the Disabled class I was in. A very bright young man, allegedly living in a tent behind K-Mart before Vocational Rehabilitation came along. Within the first couple of weeks in the class, he had managed to hack not only the data bases of the instructors, but also the databases of several of the corporate sponsors of the program. He was forced to leave the program. What a shame.
    What the shame is that the people who need the vocational rehab programs aren't getting them. Due to funding, and I'm certain thanks to people like this we all suffer much more than monetarily.
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    I had not thought about it that way, Angela, but I think that you are right.


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    Originally posted by Glenn N Klipp
    It's sad that the hackers see nothing morally or ethically wrong with what they are doing. Although, in a sense I can understand the "thrill". Its all in beating the system.
    I agree with you Glenn, I fully understand the "thrill"factor. I remember beating the highest scores on Atari Packman and Astroids which gave me a major thrill. But the buck stops when you harm others...I am not in a postion to say what punishment should be applied to those "criminal" endavours of hackers, but I believe that they need to be guided in the right direction to be able to channel their knowledge for something useful.

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    Tanja, I agree. The "thrill factor", or adrenaline rush if you will, is all fine and good. But when it hurts someone else, then it is wrong. And I wonder if these hackers realize that. Or do they care?

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    Hi, I just completed reading the various thoughts from each of you regarding "Hackers" and I find each of them unique in their own way; for example:

    1. I can remember being 10 and then there was not many
    families that had television, so of course we stayed outside.
    2 We had families then with two parents for the most part and
    the MOTHER was at home to monitor our every
    move.
    3. I don't know about you, but my mother did not play, if you
    misbehaved in a manner that someone was Disrespected, hurt
    or harmed, let me say you would know it and never forget it.
    But most Important!! YOU would NEVER!NEVER!! do it again.

    Parents today must take an active interest in their children, their school and their friends. It is not a crime to question your children "WHO, WHAT, WHEN, WHERE and WHY". Also don't be afraid to discipline if and when necessary! Children, whether you know it or not, actually want discipline and yes I hear you corporal punishment is not always the answer, but there are circumstances that it is.

    Parents must also monitor what their children are watching, (watch tv with them), what games they are playing (play with them). Stop being too busy or tired.

    We can judge, justify and even be in shock, but the question I want to pose is WHAT CAN WE DO TO STOP IT? Thrill, yeah! right!
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    Charlie, you're dating yourself! But seriously, I see a lot of merit in your statements. Howvever, one thing you have to consider is that the divorce rate is much higher than when you and I were kids. High divorce rates means one-parent homes. One parent-homes means for a lot of undisciplined and unmonitored kids. Back when I was a kid, it was consered nothing to spank a child. Nowadays, you spank a child, you are labeled a child abuser!

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    Glenn, you have one to many /s in the last img code of your image. Take that one / out, and it will come out fine. I hope this helps.



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    Originally posted by Glenn N Klipp
    Charlie, you're dating yourself! But seriously, I see a lot of merit in your statements. Howvever, one thing you have to consider is that the divorce rate is much higher than when you and I were kids. High divorce rates means one-parent homes. One parent-homes means for a lot of undisciplined and unmonitored kids. Back when I was a kid, it was consered nothing to spank a child. Nowadays, you spank a child, you are labeled a child abuser!


    Of course, my point exactly! so what has to happen, parents take control of their kids using the time they have. As I see it parents now are interested in time for themselves and being buddies, friends, dawgs' etc instead of parenting. Marriage is no longer the sacred institute it once was, why? because there is no respect or love for God, other people or themselves. Girls relate love to sex, guys relate love to sex; marriage on the other hand is shacking, living together or coming around for a you know call.

    Until we as people start accepting responsibility for the children we bring into this world and stop letting the Government (Federal, State or Local) dictate to us what is best for children or what I see most is letting the children dictate to you what is best for them, we will continue to have unhappy, unstable or lost kids!!!

    PS: No need to datel I found the right mate 25 years ago and still married (til death us do part)!!!
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    Question the kid got skills

    hey can u hate him cuz he know what others do not it may take people to go to school it may not all i am saying is that the kid need to be in a good place where he can help people so the warm can not happen i think bill gates need him cuz win have a lot of holes but who am i to say i think his time shold be fixing the wrom so no more can get in i think the kid needs a right trun cuz he is a baby and think for a min if u had the time to think of doing some thing like that will u do it or will u teach some one how to and how to fix it if it got u i know i will but like i say show him a good way and not the bad way a fine that is not good cuz he will fill like he got a way with it and bet that he will do it one more time but he will

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    Glenn, you have one to many /s in the last img code of your image. Take that one / out, and it will come out fine. I hope this helps.



    Have a wonderful week. Take care.

    I saw it Ms. Craig. Thank you though for telling me. As usual, you are the best!

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    Originally posted by Glenn N Klipp



    I saw it Ms. Craig. Thank you though for telling me. As usual, you are the best!
    Glenn, thank you so much. You are learning very well. Keep up the good work.

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    I hope people relize that is really easy to write a virus or a worm.

    And he shouldn't of said anything at all when he was questioned.

    Should of been like I need to consult with an attorney. I have the right to remain silent, and I excersice my right to remain silent.

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    I think this is such a shame and to think this kid is from my state of Minnesota. he is smart and he could have gone far in this world if he would have done it right now he can be smart in JAIL and thats where he should go and do not pass go.

    what a shame

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    Unhappy RE:the worm virus.

    Hello everyone,

    As a person with personal experience with this blaster worm virus,I must say how frustrating it is to have your computer/personal property invaded in this way. Luckily I got tech.support from Microsoft,and I had a virus scanner,but it cost me time,and aggrevation.

    It is such a shame to know that there are people out there with nothing better to do than try to hurt other people for their own personal satisfaction. It seems a waiste to me.If this boy had used the intelligence god gave him ,he might be working for microsoft ,,or starting his own company,instead of faceing jail,wich by the way is where he belongs in my opinion. This in just another sad example of a wasted life and a waste of talents. His future is ruined,and for what a little ego boost,or attention.

    It is as simple as reading your scriptures.. God said..".Do Not Hide your light under a bushle." sadly yours:
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    Hello: I know just how you feel I am having so much trouble with my computer because of all the spam and junk that these heartless people send you. I at times can not even get on to my home page and sometimes I end up ---- well god only knows and there has been times when I find myself on a web page that I can't even get out of.. I have to shut down my computer and start all over and loose what ever I may have been doing.

    these heartless people who are doing this should be hung out to dry.

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    Joyce, Tammy,

    I agree with you, in most of the cases, such bastards deserve to be punished. I have two remarks in this respect: 1) If they will be hanged, what about the rapists, serial kilers, etc.? 2) Sometimes hakers could be recuperated in order to use their brains for serving people, working in their best interest (Did you see the movie "Catch Me, If You Can"?).

    God let the "Evil" on the Earth for people in order to compare and chose versus "Good". A lot of our prayers mention "God protect us against evil". At the same time, I remember an old proverb, having the same meaning in different countries: "God brings it to you but He does not put it directly in your hands".

    The crime is old as mankind is. The hackers ("evil") were born soon after the Internet ("good") was born. The society (Police, FBI, Microsoft experts, and... PI) started the fight against them. In parallel, we also have to protect us.

    Here, at IPIU forums there are some topics related to computer and anti-virus systems. I suggest for Joyce to visit the topics and ask those who are skilled in this field how to
    fix the damages, as well as how to prevent them happening again.

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    Hello Dragos. thank you for the information right now i have a program that was suppose to stop all this but for some reason this virus got through. So here I am sitting at my computer and want to go to one of my favorite web pages and bang I 'm in some porn junk and can't get out of it. I had to shut my computer right down. then I go back on and bang I go to another web page and once again I am stuck this went on for some time I tried everything. so finally I found a web page called skybot and downloaded a program and set all my settings different and now its a little ok. But at lest now noone is suppose to beable to get into my computer. with this new program. these people make me so mad.

    Thank You again I will also go on different forums here to read and learn more.

    thank You, have a great day






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    Hello Joyce,

    I am glad you got rid of the bug. Try to keep the computer healthy, it is our most important tool here, at IPIU.

    Take care. Have a great day too.

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    I was hit with the blaster worm. I didn't even realize that's what it was at first. I would be online for a couple minutes and get kicked. It was EXTREMELY aggravating, but a friend of mine sent me to Microsoft for a patch.

    I agree this boy should be punished, but I don't agree that he should be sent to prison for life or punished overly severly. I agree that someone should help him invest his talents into something worthwhile.

    And on a side note, I have 2 young children. Both of which have computers in their classrooms both at school and daycare. My youngest is 5 and can frequently be found playing on it when I pick her up from daycare.

    I have a computer at home that they love to play on. The only online site that I allow them to go to is a PBS kids website. When they get a little older I'm sure they'll be online more and you can bet your last dollar I'll be checking the sites they go to.

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    Unhappy re: blaster worm discussion

    Hi Everyone,
    I am so sorry to hear about all my fellow forum members who have been affected by this Blaster worm virus:{.
    As I stated in an earlier post I was hit by it too.

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    Thumbs up Congratulations Jennifer,

    Originally posted by Jennifer Zimdars

    .... The only online site that I allow them to go to is a PBS kids website. When they get a little older I'm sure they'll be online more and you can bet your last dollar I'll be checking the sites they go to.
    Doing this checking will certainly avoid you having unpleasant surprises.

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    Red face re;to my re.

    Sorry I hit enter instead of shift.Anyway I just wanted to pass along a little info that I picked up on the web.This is a sight to help you get free software to help block spam in your e-mail.I know we all as ipiu members have Yhoo e-mail accounts,but this will help with your other e-mail accounts[if you have any,such as hotmail or outlook express].Alot of new viruses are comming through our e-mails and we may not know it untill it's too late..
    Hope these links help.
    click here to visit the sight. Ihope that my hyper link worked,and I hope this helps.
    If it doesn't work please 'post' and let me know.
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    I'm new here

    I am a trainee for PI work right now, but I've worked as a videogame artist for eight years and believe me I've met dozens of people just like this jerk. Virtually every single IT person I ever worked with has admitted to me that they've created viruses at one time or another, and the only reason they can ever give is "because I could."

    You have to understand that most of these hackers are severe loners--they never really form interpersonal connections with other people, so they couldn't care less what damage they do to people or their property. You know, kind of like sociopaths. The computer age has created a whole new species of introverted, mad at the world young people who get off on being malicious.

    When this blaster worm came out, I did my own little profile of this hacker-late teens to mid twenties, severely over-weight, sloppy dresser, probably a videogame addict, and mad at the world! How right I was!

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    Hello Robert,


    Originally posted by Robert Cooksey

    ...The computer age has created a whole new species of introverted, mad at the world young people who get off on being malicious.

    When this blaster worm came out, I did my own little profile of this hacker-late teens to mid twenties, severely over-weight, sloppy dresser, probably a videogame addict, and mad at the world! How right I was!
    Your experience related to haker psychology is really interesting. This would be a reason to ask you a question, widely debated in this forum: "Should be these guys sent to prison, or should they be forced tp follow a "re-education" program?". Also, do you image any other solution in this matter?

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    The reason these guys do these viruses is because for the most part they are outcasts who got picked on a lot in High School, and being able to wreak havoc like this is power. It's really pretty pathetic.

    Think about it--for the first time ever , High school/college kids are more sophisticated (in a lot of cases) at doing a type of crime than adults are, and they are more sophisticated than the people trying to catch them. Only in the past year or so have any of these brats been caught and punished, but for ten years it was open territory! I know because I was there! They were totally conscienceless, too.

    What needs to happen, IMO, is we need to make some very high profile arrests, and show these people that they are no longer uncatchable. Word travels fast on the internet!

    While in prison, the feds should hold meetings with them, find out their methods, and use that info to shut them all down. Unlike organized crime, where they have a vetsed interest (money) in doing crime, hackers usually just do it for the thrill of getting away with something. Sooo--it'll be easy to send a message but first law enforcement has to catch up to them technologically.

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    Robert,

    Commenting the "reasons", I would totally agree with you for the second one. Considering the first reason, IMO, a talented HS student, when becoming a "computer wiz", gets appreciation from colleagues and teachers. It is difficult to believe that such a kid is an outcast. It seems to me that his/her rising ego and selfesteem, built by the environment (people), should not let him/her commit a crime against people... unless he/she is not normal.

    But let's get back to the main issue, the punishment. Again, I agree with you, they have to be caught (everybody agrees that).
    What happens next?


    Originally posted by Robert Cooksey

    While in prison, the feds should hold meetings with them, find out their methods, and use that info to shut them all down...
    Prison... this a radical, tough decision, marking their lives at a time when they are not yet mature.


    Originally posted by Robert Cooksey

    ....They were totally conscienceless, too.
    They were conscienceless about being caught, and (maybe) about the gravity of their crime.

    In this respect there are some questions in my mind: Do some of them deserve some leniency? When in jail, their lives already marked by criminal records, would they co-operate with the feds? After serving prison terms would they go back to normal lives and (most important), use their brains in the interest of people?

    Unfortunately, we can not answer firmly these questions. This favors a radical decision as a solution of the problem.

    My only firm conclusion is that, if being a judge, I would not like to handle such a case in the Court.

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    Hackers

    The guys I worked with were picked on and bullied non-stop in high school--so they've told me on many occasions. Of course I'm generalizing but it's true in many cases. I think people who don't work in games have a hard time understanding how isolated some of these hackers are or how much their lives revolve around cyberspace. Let me give you two examples:

    One guy who told me he used to create viruses all the time was a guy named Ken. He was about 20 when I knew him, and he dropped out of High School a few years before, partly because he was picked on so much and partly because his parents felt a computer was a substitute parent/babysitter when he was younger. Anyway--Ken was a really unattractive kid but fairly smart and was so addicted to videogames and the internet that he almost never left the computer. He hated sunlight--would block off the windows in his office, and drank nothing but Jolt cola (he had something like 1,000 enpty cans lining his office). His diet was horrendous--he basically lived off frozen mini-pizzas and fast food.

    Ken got so addicted to an online videogame named Everquest that he would go to Taco Bell and buy three days worth of food just so he didn't have to leave his house. He had no friends--didn't want any either. If he lost at Everquest he wouldn't speak to anybody for days. Then he started missing work--why? Because he was staying up until 6:00 am playing Everquest, and was just too exhausted to come in. Eventually he got fired.

    People outside my field have no idea that these people exist--but I just saw a case of a kid who shot himself because he lost at Everquest or a game like it. We had another guy who was so pathetically introverted that he actually had sexual fantasies about Laura Croft from Tomb Raider--and I am talking about the cartoon character, not the actress who eventually made the movie version. He also collected guns and slept with an assault rifle next to his bed--he decorated his office with metal plates which were riddled with bullet holes and more than a few of us thought he might snap one day. It was pretty scary.

    So anyway--these guys grow up in a world which isn't real and their only "friends" are online. They make these viruses as a joke, but making them also gets them attention and a sense of power that they never have in their personal lives. When I worked at Kinesoft we got a virus which whiped out over a month's worth of work, which cost the company hundreds of thousands of dollars, so don't downplay the seriousness of these malicious viruses.

    Hackers today, I'm told, have created viruses which will actually attach themselves to anti-virus shields and enter your computer that way! I have also been informed that some of these anti-virus software companies actually make the viruses so they never run out of work!

    See what I'm saying? Cyberspace is the great new frontier in crime. In some cases yeah the hackers are too immature to understand the gravity of what they're doing, but so what? Some know exactly what they are doing and don't care. These hackers who steal credit card numbers are theives as much as a person who robs a bank!

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    Re: Congratulations Jennifer,

    Originally posted by Dragos Sfinteanu


    Doing this checking will certainly avoid you having unpleasant surprises.
    I'll be doing it with everything that goes on in their lives. I want to stay involved.

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    I'll be doing it with everything that goes on in their lives. I want to stay involved.
    Jennifer,

    Your devotion for children is admirable. It is an asset for both family and society. If most of the parents would carefully watch their children, as you do, hackers would not practically exist (almost all of them are young).

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    yup--so many kids today are being baby-sat by computers, it's pretty sad.

    I think that the obesity problem with children in the US these days is at least in part due to kids sitting at a computer rather than going out into the world. Maybe I'm just getting old!

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    Oh my GOD don't get me started on the obesity issue! I could go on for hours on that issue, but I won't because I'm sure I'd end up offending someone.

    Dragos, parenting is kind of a sticky issue with me. I grew up in a broken home. My mother's parenting skills were pretty lousy, but she loved us. I ran wild as a teenager and as a result I made quite a few bad choices and some of those choices I made I'll be paying for the rest of my life.

    I don't want to parent my kids the way my mother did us. I never married the father of my children and we are no longer together so on the weekends they see him. He is a waste of space as far as I'm concerned. He can't keep a job longer than 6 months because he's always getting fired..he says it's all a conspiracy. :|

    ANYWAY, I'm trying to do the best I possibly can for my children because I want them to grow up to be healthy, independent adults who think for themselves and make the RIGHT desicions.

    As far as computers and todays youth are concerned, well it's definitely a GOOD thing to know how to work it, but at the same time they need to be out doing things, getting involved with extra-curricular activites.

    I can understand how parents have less time to be with their children because I am a single parent myself, but people need to take time out of their busy schedule and do something with their children. Even if it's just for a little while. That little bit WILL make a difference.

    People need to take more pride in not only themselves, but in their surroundings.I honestly believe that if more people, children and adults alike were out getting involved in their community there would be less crime.

    ok! /end rant]

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