Baby Killer Susan Smith now seeks a caring, loving "penpal"!

[David Copeland]

(And what do you think of this little baby killer, who appeared on national television falsely claiming that a black man kidnapped her two babies - when later it was found she had driven them and her car into a lake to drown them - in pursuit of an adulterous affair with a guy who didn't like have mistresses with children(?))
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"I am looking to meet new people and, hopefully, become friends."


"I am 31 years old. My birthday is September 26.

"During my spare time, I enjoy reading, working puzzles, and writing.

"I love rainbows, Mickey Mouse, the beach, the mountains, and waterfalls.

"My favorite color is navy blue and my favorite flower is the daisy.

"I am a Christian and I enjoy attending church.

"I consider myself to be sensitive, caring, and kind-hearted.

"I'm currently serving a life sentence on the charge of murder. I have grown and matured a lot since my incarceration, but I will always hurt for the pain I´ve caused so many, especially my children.

"I hope to receive letters from those who are not judgmental and who are sincere.

"I look forward to hearing from new people and, hopefully, finding new friends.

"May God bless each one of you!

"Please Write Me At:
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Susan Smith, Prisoner #221487
Leath Correctional Institution
2809 Airport Rd.
Greenwood SC 29649</center>


PERSONAL DETAILS:

Methodist
Sexual Orientation: Straight
Seeking Donations: No
Astrological Sign: Libra
Ad Started On: 6/1/2003
Ad Ends On: 6/1/2004
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(Her children - the ones who lost the flip of a coin
over having an adulterous affair with her boyfriend)

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Why did she post her teenage picture in the ad???

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THE REAL SUSIE PHOTO </center>

[David Copeland]

On second thought, I think we ought to hook her up with this male prisioner from Montana:

http://writeaprisoner.com/images/picts/z-2019970.jpg
"Hi, my name is Robbie Arnold."

"Upon my release I would like to settle down with a good woman.

"I have made mistakes in life. Hopefully, I have learned from them and will move on with my life.

<center>Robbie Arnold #2019970
Montana State Prison
700 Conley Rd.
Deer Lodge MT 59722 USA</center>

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(More at http://www.writeaprisoner.com)

[William Brassfield]

Hmmm....

Might make an intersting match :p

[Michele Maconship]

Truly frightening, but probably a good match. :mad: Anyone who can do what she did physically turns my stomach. I have heard that prisoners have no mercy on child molesters and child murderers whom they are incarcerated with, but nothing could be worse than what she did to those poor little children. God rest their souls.

[Kanda Force]

My personal thoughts can not be shared on this board. It might cause a melt-down. :mad:

Seriously, I hope they both get everything in life. That is...directly proprotionate to all they've done.

Yup....I can see my 2 weeks on jury duty will be mighty quiet. Send me home, judge.

[David Copeland]

Web site asks child-killing mom to pull ad:

"COLUMBIA, South Carolina (AP) -- The Web site that accepted a personal ad from convicted child killer Susan Smith seeking pen pals from her prison cell asked her Friday to withdraw the ad because the result has been "kind of a freak show."

However, if Susan wants to keep the ad, we won't force her to get rid of it," said Jason Roberts, a spokesman for the Edgewater, Florida-based writeaprisoner.com.

Roberts said Smith's online ad has gotten hundreds of responses but was becoming a distraction from the site's mission of helping other inmates make contacts in the outside world. He also said the media attention to the ad was overwhelming.

Smith, who is serving a life sentence, gained notoriety in 1994 for going on national television to tearfully plead for the return of her missing sons. She later admitted strapping 3-year-old Michael and 14-month-old Alex into their car seats and rolling the sleeping boys into a lake.

"I hope to receive letters from those who are not judgmental and who are sincere," reads the ad, accompanied by a photo of a smiling Smith, 31, wearing sweat pants marked "SC Department of Corrections."

In the $40 advertisement, posted last month, Smith says, "I will always hurt for the pain I've caused so many, especially my children."

"I love rainbows, Mickey Mouse, the beach, mountains and waterfalls," the ad reads. "I consider myself to be sensitive, caring and kind-hearted. I'm currently serving a life sentence on the charge of murder."

The ad ends with the words: "May God bless each one of you!"

Corrections Director Jon Ozmint confirmed Friday that Smith paid for the ad with a check from her South Carolina Department of Corrections account. Prisoners often have accounts for the small amount of money they earn doing jobs behind bars.

Smith's personal life has made headlines before. Two prison guards were disciplined for having sex with Smith three years ago. One was sentenced to 90 days in jail, the other was put on probation.

SOURCE:
http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/07/11/susan.smith.ap/index.html

[David Copeland]

Originally posted by David Copeland
Two prison guards were disciplined for having sex with Smith three years ago
Oh, I see.

Her available pool of boyfriends must have dried up.

[Kanda Force]

Originally posted by David Copeland

Oh, I see.

Her available pool of boyfriends must have dried up.

:)

[Kathleen Padgett]

Originally posted by David Copeland

Oh, I see.

Her available pool of boyfriends must have dried up.

Too funny :)

[Deborah Siehl]

I was deeply saddened by the news of her involvement in her children's death. As a parent of three children, I don't know how someone can do this.

Her excuse for doing what she did was the worst I have ever heard, in an attempt to see it from her view.

I would have nothing to say to her. She got less of a sentence than what she deserved in my book.

Just my opinion,

Deborah Siehl

[May K. Toney]

Originally posted by Kanda Force
My personal thoughts can not be shared on this board. It might cause a melt-down. :mad:

Seriously, I hope they both get everything in life. That is...directly proprotionate to all they've done.

Yup....I can see my 2 weeks on jury duty will be mighty quiet. Send me home, judge.

Kanda,
I'm a God fearing Christian so may He forgive me but I agree with you wholeheartedly. My heart and sympathy can only go out to the children whose lives were abruptly and cold-heartedly cut short. It's hard enough for parents to prepare their children for what can often be a cold and cruel world. It's beyond my natural ability to forget that these children were innocent victims of the one person who was supposed to shield and protect them.

If I were this woman, I'd spend more time in repentent prayer hoping to receive the mercy, grace and forgiveness of the only One that's likely to grant it.

[Deborah W]

Susan Smith is exactly where she needs to be. As for her children, they don't have to suffer growing up with idiot parents. That's all.

[Kathleen Padgett]

It's irritating, although not surprising to hear that Susan is still thinking only of herself and seeking compassion, for which she has no true experience or understanding of the meaning of the word.

[Byron Burke II]

Does this women really think anyone that is normal will write her in prison after what she has done?

[Rosemary Lynch]

I think at lot of our prisons are probably a bit too liberal with privileges. These criminals live better than some of their victims, some of whom are not alive at all.
I guess the taxpayers foot the bill for the computer access for the prisoners. The non criminal world get to pay for these privilege.

[Byron Burke II]

Hello, again.
I was watching, I believe Fox News, and some Freedom of Speech lawyer claims that Susan Smith does not have access to the computer someone else is a go between.
I agree that she and other people that commit similar crimes sould have none of the privelges that people in general society have.

[Michael Harris]

Hey guys, do not be too hard on Robbie, he may be a nice guy. You want the b**** to get together with an axe murderer. She deserves no less! :mad:

[Amanda Monroe]

Originally posted by Michael Harris
Hey guys, do not be too hard on Robbie, he may be a nice guy. You want the b**** to get together with an axe murderer. She deserves no less! :mad:

I am a Christian and a mother of three.

My feelings is anyone who can hurt a child especially kill them deserves to be 6 feet under. (but then again that may just be the mother in me talking)

So I agree with you Michael, She deserves much much worse!

[Michael Harris]

Amanda,

You can probably relate to the families of the victims of pedophile ex-priest Geoghan. To die in prison without suffering for decades.

The families feel that they have been cheated of justice. Just wait until GOD gets through with Geoghan.

[Michele Maconship]

Originally posted by Michael Harris
Amanda,

You can probably relate to the families of the victims of pedophile ex-priest Geoghan. To die in prison without suffering for decades.

The families feel that they have been cheated of justice. Just wait until GOD gets through with Geoghan.

It is too bad he did not suffer longer under the hands of man. But now he is living in the eternal fire of Hell and that, my friend, is justice.

[Michael Harris]

Michele,

Amen to that! :) :D :cool:

[Michael Harris]

Michele,

I think that the families of the children whose innocence was stolen by Geoghan wanted to see him suffer for a while.:o :eek:

This is similar to killing bugs. The firms that sell bug killers have much more efficient and effective methods of controlling the bug population. They admit it. Why would they not sell these more efficient and effective methods? Because no one would buy them. The home onwer does not just want the bugs to be dead, he/she wants to see the dead bodies. :) :D :cool:

People throughout history want to see the retribution, to see the dead body stuck on a pike.

Geoghan's death cheated these families of something they wanted. Is it right? I do not believe that it is. GOD will balance it all out in the end. :cool:

[Kathleen Padgett]

Hi Michael,

I admire your straight forward way of saying things, it's great. I agree, Geoghan literally destroyed the lives of many trusting kids.
It's interesting to me though, that prisons are just now reviewing the fact that their protective custody units aren't secure after all, given this event. It's been known all along, there is no "safe" haven there. Heck of a time to review procedures, after a death?
I prefer proactive, preventative measures myself.

[Jeff Creedon]

I think this is kind of funny. It unfortunate that there is probably someone out there that is sitting down at there computer just like us and writing her a letter.

[Michael Harris]

Originally posted by Kathleen Padgett
...Heck of a time to review procedures, after a death?
I prefer proactive, preventative measures myself.
Kathie,

The nut bar who killed him planned the murder for a month. The killer is a raving homophobe.

However, the death could not have happened to a more desrving individual. The procedures do need to be overhauled.

[Michael Harris]

Originally posted by Jeff Creedon
...It unfortunate that there is probably someone out there that is sitting down at there computer just like us and writing her a letter.
Jeff,

I would bet you are right!

[Brenda Muller]

Hi all,
I'm just at a lost for words...It is just amazing how Adults can harm these precious children...there so beautiful and innocent and wouldn't hurt a fly.
I'm a new grandma and I watch my two month old granddaughter and she is just amazing how she is growing and learning already.
I wish and hope everyone to have a good and safe evening.
Brenda Muller

[Kathleen Padgett]

Hi Brenda,

Congratulations Grandma!! :) ;) :D You sound like a wonderful grandmother too:)

[Kathleen Padgett]

Hi Michael,

The procedures definitely are in need of overhaul. On the news, it was mentioned that the murder was planned for a month, and unfortunately, it sounds like some of the prison guards were aware of it, as they had been warned by at least one other prisoner. I'm sure there will be some liability issues and possibly lawsuits they will face, as they are clearly responsible for ensuring the safety of all prisoners in their custody. His crimes were well known and highly publicized, which automatically made him a target in there.

I would have preferred to see Geoghan serve his sentence and regret his actions as well.

[Kathleen Padgett]

Hi Jeff,

I think you're right also... it's shocking to us that some people do sympathize with the incarcerated and correspond regularly. I've read many articles and seen news reports of numerous weddings taking place in prisons between inmates and their lovers whom they have often never even met. Strange, but true.

[Michael Harris]

Originally posted by Kathleen Padgett
The procedures definitely are in need of overhaul. On the news, it was mentioned that the murder was planned for a month, and unfortunately, it sounds like some of the prison guards were aware of it, as they had been warned by at least one other prisoner. I'm sure there will be some liability issues and possibly lawsuits they will face, as they are clearly responsible for ensuring the safety of all prisoners in their custody. ...
I would have preferred to see Geoghan serve his sentence and regret his actions as well.
Kathie,

I can understand how or why the guards may not have wanted to act. The damage that Geoghan did desreves punishment.

I agree that the procedures need to be reengineered.

[Kristine King]

My beautiful 2 month old grandson sleeps next to me as I type this. I think of my own two children, one of whom is missing. I would give anything just to know he is OK. I cannot fathom the cold-heartedness of a Susan Smith, nor the betrayal of trust of a Geoghan.

What I see over and over again on these forums are people who care very much about others, and doing the right thing in life.

I am proud to be associated with each and every one of you!! There is no indifference here!!

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[Michael Harris]

Kris,

I feel your joy at the grandson and understand (at least a little)about your missing son.

My sister-in-law walked out on her husband and five children several years ago. Those five children are my niece and nephews; they are my daughter's cousins (the other cousins are much too old to be any fun).

We lost track of them for years. I could have found them if I knew what I know now. It was painful to not know.

How people like Susan Smith or Geoghan could do what they did! :confused:

[Kristine King]

Originally posted by Michael Harris
Kris,

I feel your joy at the grandson and understand (at least a little)about your missing son.

My sister-in-law walked out on her husband and five children several years ago. Those five children are my niece and nephews; they are my daughter's cousins (the other cousins are much too old to be any fun).

We lost track of them for years. I could have found them if I knew what I know now. It was painful to not know.

How people like Susan Smith or Geoghan could do what they did! :confused:

Thanks for the reply; life is a series of mixed blessings; we have to hold on to the good and learn to pass on from the bad. Your posts are always so informative; thanks for sharing and all the time it must take you to respond!

With your sister-in-law: amazing how the selfish acts of others cause so many good people pain. I know that is why pursuing this new career has such appeal for me. I can't fix all the wrongs in the world, but I can fix them one at a time.

[Brenda Muller]

Thank you Kathie

[Kathleen Padgett]

Your welcome Brenda, have a great time being a grandma:)

[Michael Harris]

Kris,

Did I mention that she is also an unmedicated bi-polar? :(

[Kristine King]

Originally posted by Michael Harris
Kris,

Did I mention that she is also an unmedicated bi-polar? :(

Michael,

Maybe it was one of those mixed blessings that she left; when I was married I had a sister-in-law who was also bi-polar. The pattern seems to be that they begin medication, feel better, and decide they don't need the medication.... you know the rest of the story. She is a sweet, sad person who has led a tortured life. Her two girls turned out great, with both working in the medical field....hmmm.

Take care :)

[Michael Harris]

Kris,

You got that right! One of the biggest problems with medication for brain bio-chemical imbalances is that the patient can feel great after being on the medidcation for a short time. Then, thinking that the life-time medication was cure, they stop taking the medication and never realize that they are sick again.

My sister-in-law will never get to the point where she seeks medical help. Her mother and aunt and grandmother were all the same way - bi-polar, depressed, OCD, etc. - and were not medicated. My sister-in-law's sister (my estranged wife) had a breakdown and had to be medicated. She is much better, but she still does not comprehend that she is still psychotic. But, she takes her meds regularly.

With three generations of females needing medication, my daughter knows enough to watch for the signs. :(

[Michele Maconship]

Originally posted by Michael Harris
. . . With three generations of females needing medication, my daughter knows enough to watch for the signs. :(

Heredity is a scary thing, Michael. My oldest son's father was diagnosed with schizophrenia a year after we were married. My son has known about his father's mental illness since he was about 12 and is very wary of the signs of this disease, which typically manifests itself between the ages of 18 and 22. He has written some good research papers on both schizophrenia and depression (his wife's mother suffers from what I believe is bi-polar disorder, along with depression - she had a tough time getting through the wedding planning because she did exactly as you described - went off her medication because she thought she was "cured"). This is always something I have worried and fretted about over the years, but I believe my son has the education necessary to self-diagnose and thus, seek early intervention, if this becomes necessary. He is currently attending college as an aspiring psychologist.

[Diane Jarosz]

WHY? I can not ever figure out WHY people harm little children.
What goes through a parents head? What is going through anyone's head that harms or kills children?
Pen Pal Partner? WHY? Any type of human companionship is too good for this killer!:mad:
DJ

[Michael Harris]

Michele,

It sounds like you did a good job raising your son. I hope he stays healthy always. :) :D :cool:

[Brenda Muller]

Good Evening All
My feeling on this is both of these people should have no priviledges at all....
Brenda Muller

[Michael Harris]

Brenda,

I am on your side, so read my message to the end before engaging your emotions. :o

We, as Americans, have certain inalienable rights. Most people think this means that we have rights that cannot be taken away. They are wrong,
in·al·ien·a·ble (¹n-³l“y…-n…-b…l, -³“l¶-…-) adj. That cannot be transferred to another or others: inalienable rights. --in·al”ien·a·bil“i·ty n. --in·al“ien·a·bly adv. My view is that you give them up when you commit a felony.

Susan Smith and ex-priest Geoghan have given up all their rights to be treated as human brings. This is a little stronger than I really believe, but I needed to make a point.

[Michele Maconship]

Originally posted by Michael Harris
Michele,

It sounds like you did a good job raising your son. I hope he stays healthy always. :) :D :cool:

Thanks, I wish the same for your daughter. :)

[Michael Harris]

Michele,

Thank you. May our children be healthy and content. :cool:

[Tammy A Nelson]

I had foregotten about this case,but just reading the name brought it all back to me. I remember being a young mother of a two year old boy,crying almost uncontrolably as I watched another young mother plead for the safe return of her babies...
My heart broke for days right along with hers. I held my son a little longer than usual,and I prayed for her and those little boys. Then the news came that she had killed them herself :mad: ! I felt so used so lost ,and so mad I couldn't wrap my mind around the notion that she realy did this, but she did!
As far as her having rights My opinion is that she should have none.If she has made her peace with God so be it,if he foregave her then I as a christian have no choice but to foregive her too,and keep my negative emotions to myself{a true test of my faith,since I am so highly opinionated.} As far as her having pen pals ok,but in my opinion they should be regulated to only possitive influences,and only with people of high faith,and medical/psychological backgrounds. As far as her hooking up with other prisioners or ex-cons,in my opinion that is only fueling the fire of her psychotic need for a man,and his approval. Whoever let her post this web ad ,I pray that you plan to regulate her responces.

[Ashton D. Nelson]

I sit here and know better than typing what I want to say and express.So,a killer ,murderer,liarer,adultress........................
wants a pen pal. It only leaves me one question. What has happened to the LAw of Land? I reckon prison become the dating game. It makes me feel real good to know that once again , the Powers that BE, has given life to someone who needs to die.
I say fix her up with that Manson dude. A match made in Hell.

[Tanya Wyche]

I for one could never be her "Pal" of any kind. She could have given those boys to family members, adoption, anything but what she chose. I can never forgive her.

[Richard Greiner -]

Can you say HO HO HO!:p but on the other hand she admite killing her babys why did the Judge let her off on just Murder, she should got the CHAIR. My god not to long ago they put a Boy that had down sendrone and a Mental Condition and gave him the Chair for Murder and he was not in his right Mind. It just shows what this world is comeing to. Like Charlie Daniels saids in one of His songs "This world is living by the Law of the Jungle not the Law of the Land, the Good book saids and you all know its the Truth EYE FOR AN EYE and TOOTH FOR A TOOTH. Same way with Drug Dealers Judge just Slaps them on the Risk and turns them back out on the street and they wounder why they fine so many Young teens dead.

[Tanya Wyche]

Yeah, the laws do seem a little backwards. Here in Texas a man poisoned a tree. It was a landmark, but still, he got more prison time than a man who poisoned his disabled mother????? Yes the tree is important, but more important than a human being???? Crazy times we live in.

[Jennifer Zimdars]

I've never been able to understand how a human could do something to another human being. I've never been able to understand what kind of person you would have to be in order to do something like that.

ESPECIALLY TO A CHILD!

Someone very close to me was killed by someone else very close to me in an accident. At the time it happened I thought that MAYBE it was on purpose, but even with that thought going through my head I wanted to be there and comfort that person because I just couldn't fathom what they were going through at that moment.

How is a person able to go on with life after extinguishing the very essence of someone else?

That person who is close to me will have to live with that everyday of their life. He told me recently that he still dreams of it after 5 years, he is still able to see and smell everything from that day.

It's just something I can't fathom. I don't know that I could live with myself knowing that I took someone elses life. How horrible to live with that.

What is even more unfathomable to me is how someone can just pretend it didn't happen. How they can turn it around like THEY are the victim.

I figure they are missing their soul. It's the only explanation I can come up with.

[Tanya Wyche]

I agree they must be missing something. Accidents do happen. But to pretend it didn't is wrong. And to them make yourself the victim and try to gain sympathy is disgusting.

[Karen Kiely]

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Web site asks child-killing mom to pull ad:

"COLUMBIA, South Carolina (AP) -- The Web site that accepted a personal ad from convicted child killer Susan Smith seeking pen pals from her prison cell asked her Friday to withdraw the ad because the result has been "kind of a freak show."

However, if Susan wants to keep the ad, we won't force her to get rid of it," said Jason Roberts, a spokesman for the Edgewater, Florida-based writeaprisoner.com.

Roberts said Smith's online ad has gotten hundreds of responses but was becoming a distraction from the site's mission of helping other inmates make contacts in the outside world. He also said the media attention to the ad was overwhelming.


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Ok if Susan Smith has an outside source for putting this ad in, how does it appear on Florida-based writeaprisoner.com.

Prisoners in every state have access to computers. It makes me sick to think that the civil liberties of prisoners are much more than you and I receive.

Susan deserves everything she has received and more.

[Anthony R. Davis]

Good Morning

Hate the sin not the sinner.
What people of faith need to remember is to be a representative of their faith. Otherwise it is a disservice for it. Like it or not people form opinions based on what you say and what they observe.

It is a common teaching in these forums to inhibit the coloring of your commentary when reporting. In the case of children being harmed it is an especially reprehensible crime and difficult to contain one's emotions. How can you not color your words?

These people have committed crimes and were prosecuted according to the laws of the STATE in which they were convicted and sentenced in. A large part of the outcome is the competence of the Prosecution and Defense Attorneys and the investigative abilities of the different agencies involved.
Unfortunately it isn't as clear to prosecute crimes as the crimes perpetrated against children would deserve.

Most everyone does have access to the internet. There are many libraries that have internet terminals.

[Jennifer Zimdars]

Originally posted by Anthony R. Davis
Hate the sin not the sinner.

That's almost impossible to do for most human beings. :(

[Michael Harris]

Jennifer,

I agree, but you have to have something to strive for. :eek:

Anthony,

Amen.

The Rev. Dr. Harris

[Cynthia Ford]

Originally posted by Anthony R. Davis
Hate the sin not the sinner. After she was sent to prison, I moved on without thinking about her.

But then she seduces 2 prison guards and places a personal ad for more pals.

I guess her sins just keeping adding up every day.

[Michael Harris]

Cynthia,

The evil people never stop their evil. It is only the good who stop doing what is right.

[Donna Coleman]

Kanda, I agree with you my thoughts may get me in trouble here instead I will focus my thoughts on training to become a PI. I have plenty to say about what she did especially to those babies but ......................:mad:

[Tina M Phillips]

Susan Smith is a very unstable individual and it doesn't seem as though she has changed much. By using her high school photo, explains why she denied her children life. She has not grown up herself.

Some people really crack me up.

[Michael Harris]

Tina,

Susan Smith is sick and should stay locked up forever. To allow her to seek love on the outside is ludicrious.

There are two kinds of people who support her - sick individuals and stupid individuals. We have an obligation to protect both kinds from her.

[Tina M Phillips]

Originally posted by Michael Harris
Tina,

Susan Smith is sick and should stay locked up forever. To allow her to seek love on the outside is ludicrious.

There are two kinds of people who support her - sick individuals and stupid individuals. We have an obligation to protect both kinds from her.


I agree. She has alot of nerve looking for love and that is the very reason why she's in prison today! She put a man in front of her children.

We do need to protect society from a crazed individual like herself.

[Michael Harris]

Tina,

I disagree with one point. Susan Smith did not put a man in front of her children, she put herself in front of her children.

[Tina M Phillips]

Originally posted by Michael Harris
Tina,

I disagree with one point. Susan Smith did not put a man in front of her children, she put herself in front of her children.

Michael,

That is true also. The whole terrible incident occurred from her own selfish ways.

Good point.

[Michael Harris]

Tina,

I just responded to one of your posts about no value system. Susan Smith is our poster child for immorality and selfishness.:(

[Tina M Phillips]

Originally posted by Michael Harris
Tina,

I just responded to one of your posts about no value system. Susan Smith is our poster child for immorality and selfishness.:(


Michael,

Yep!! She can handle that all by herself!!:rolleyes:

[Michael Harris]

Tina,

I am going to try to put together a poster for Immorality and Selfishness if I can get a decent image of Susan Smith.:o

[Tina M Phillips]

Originally posted by Michael Harris
Tina,

I am going to try to put together a poster for Immorality and Selfishness if I can get a decent image of Susan Smith.:o


Michael


Sounds good!!

[Michael Harris]

Tina,

I am on my third draft. I put together the basics and my daughter critiqued it and it is getting to be quite something - tasteful and elegant.

[Frank Shields]

She deserves nothing! She put her selfish ways in front of her children and I believe she should stay locked up forever.

Her children suffered because of her selfish ways!!!!!

We have some sad people in this world!


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Frank Shields

[Michael Harris]

Frank,

We tend to remember the evil people of the world by name and deed. The good sometimes become forgotten.

My suggestion is that they weld her cell door closed.:mad:

[Tina M Phillips]

Originally posted by Michael Harris
Frank,

We tend to remember the evil people of the world by name and deed. The good sometimes become forgotten.

My suggestion is that they weld her cell door closed.:mad:


Absolutely!!!

[Frank Shields]

The sad part of it all, she lives on our tax dollars!!!!!


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Frank Shields

[Michael Harris]

Frank,

That is true and it is a shame.

However, it is cheaper than trying to execute her. With death penalty cases, the taxpayers tend to end up paying for the lawyers on both sides. And we have offices like the Death Clerk at the US Supreme Court giving the defense lawyers guidance.

Death penalty appeals go through the state supreme court, federal district court, federal appeals court, and US Supreme Court. These courts have to act on these appeals quickly, civerting them from other (more important) business. And the defense can file several dozen appeals. All costing us money. It is cheaper to weld the cell doors shut and let the evil-doer suck up tax dollars for half a century.:rolleyes:

[Frank Shields]

Michael,

Kind of a "no win" situation for us tax payers? Either way, we just pay, pay, pay!!!!!


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Frank Shields

[Michael Harris]

Frank,

It truly is a no-win situation for tax payers, but they could always cut her food ration it half.:o

[Frank Shields]

Michael,

That is a great idea! I wonder if we did that for all inmates, I wonder how much we would save "ourselves" as far as money?

I think that is something we need to look into?


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Frank Shields:)

[Michael Harris]

Frank,

We looked at this issue in one of my CJ classes. Tough topic. :(

[Frank Shields]

Michael,


I can believe that!!!!!


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Frank Shields

[Daphane Davis]

Sad but true...

No therapeutic intervention could ever rehabilitate someone who committed this horrendous act!!!!! I concur, WeLd the cell doors shut and allow no communication with the outside world, besides her family (maybe they can remindl her how stupid she was).

[Michael Harris]

Daphane,

I have advocated welding the cell door shut for only a few seriously bad felons.

She cannot be rehabilitated.

[Daphane Davis]

Micheal,

and the people said "Amen" :)

[Michael Harris]

Daphane,

You said a mouthful - Amen!

[Lynette Helsel]

I read this forum twice. It makes me feel so proud that at last I can be associated with all of everyone who cares so much about the same thing in life as me. I do agree the cell door should be nailed. I thought before I ramble I would let everyone see where I am thinking from as I ramble on.
I studied intently these classes: ?General Administration of Justice,Correctional Law, Police Personnel and Supervision, Advanced Criminological Seminar, Insanity Defense, Domestic Relations, Evidence, Criminal Seminar 11.
My opinion to add is along with all of what was stated...She is a hard-core sex addict in need of medication and pschotherapy.
I worry about the ones who can't be rehabilatated. Society has so much debt because of all these sick individuals and don't misunderstand my point but should we ignore her sickness?
Can we have something to teach or make the world a better place by extracting knowledge from the horrendous actions and save another human being?[
Just another thought law enforcement agencies exist because of the Pscho's and sometimes the genius criminals walking around and incarcerated.
I am feeling fortunate to have found IPIU and my gateway computer.

[Petra Post]

I agree that they have way too many freedoms in jails... what about the freedom of the children?? nobody asked them if they wanted to go under and die young. I have no sympathy for her or anybody like that.

[Gayle Castaneda]

To voice my opinion here would probably get me into trouble, but I do have to say that there is way too much freedom for those who are locked up and not near enough freedom and benefits for those of us trying to live decent lives.

[Gunnard Lundberg]

I live in a state that spends more money on jails than it spends on schools and our schools and childern are starting to show it, I feel that if we would spend as much money educating our childern as we do on our prisoners maybe less people would end up in jails. Just my two cents. Gunny :confused:

[Patrice-Maria Love]

I believe life without the possibility of release is sufficient for criminals who perform heinous and atrocious acts such as murder. Let the offender play back in his/her mind everyday of their life how they willfully destroyed another human life. They will have to live with their conscious and they should be penalized in a maximum security prison that don't allow them to have any priviledges such as purchasing a web site to solicit penpales! Ludicrous!

[Sandra Leach--]

Kanda,
I'm a God fearing Christian so may He forgive me but I agree with you wholeheartedly. My heart and sympathy can only go out to the children whose lives were abruptly and cold-heartedly cut short. It's hard enough for parents to prepare their children for what can often be a cold and cruel world. It's beyond my natural ability to forget that these children were innocent victims of the one person who was supposed to shield and protect them.

If I were this woman, I'd spend more time in repentent prayer hoping to receive the mercy, grace and forgiveness of the only One that's likely to grant it.

I agree with you, Mary. I also think she should never see the light of day again ! She did the crime, now she must pay the time. I also don't think she should be allowed any privileges, much less being able to correspond with someone !!

Sandra :)

[DJ Moran]

I can not imagine this baby killer thinking she ever deserves anything happiness in life!! :mad: She was thinking only of herself when she took the childrens lives, and still is only thinking of herself. :mad: It burns my a** to think that here in America, we keep providing for those who commit such awlful crimes. :mad: They are prisoners, they have no rights!! :mad: :mad: They should not be provided the opportunity to even speak to the public, in any way shape or form!!!! It seems to me these people have more rights than the victims of their crimes, :mad: This needs to change!! :mad: This is my opinion only, but until this country quits catering to the people in these prisons, with color TV, Education, and the so-called good life, in prison, this trend of killing the defenseless, the elderly, and the unexpected american, this will continue. :mad: They should have ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHTS!!!!! in prison!! :mad: :mad: No mail, no tv, no education, Absolutely NOTHING, except their prison cell. :mad: Of course, this is only my opinion, But, I really get tired of hearing these idiots getting what they want, in any way!! Okay, enough of that, it really gets me going, hope I didn't ramble, It just really burns my a**. :mad: :mad: "DJ"

[Michael Harris]

DJ,

Do not hold back, let us know how you really feel.

In all seriousness, we have inalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. We need to look at the definition first.
in·al·ien·a·ble adj. That cannot be transferred to another or others: This means that the rights we, as Americans, enjoy cannot be taken away and given to others. This is not the way most jurists see this word, but they are lawyers and do not read and write in English anyway.

The issue is that the rights cannot be taken away, but they can be given up voluntarily. By committing a serious crime, the criminal voluntarily gives up all of his/her rights to be treated as a human being. This is a little harsh, but serves for this discussion.

Susan Smith committed a despicable act and by doing so, she gave up all her rights. While the courts do not have the courage to follow through, we know what is right.

Does Susan Smith deserve anything while in prison? No! What privileges does a prisoner deserve? Try the following as a start:
place to sleep
place to maintain personal hygiene
place to eat
safety from physical abuse (from inmates and guards)
opportunity to practice his/her religion (within reason)
opportunity for physical exercise to maintain health
opportunity for rehabilitation

I do not see color TVs or VCRs or DVD palyers or tobacco products or conjugal visits or recreational opportunities on the list. Why? Because the prisoners - the convicted criminals - do not have any rights to them. I do not see that they have the right to sue the government for better conditions, but our courts let them.

Does a prisoner have the right to an education? Maybe. If it is part of a rehabilitation program and the prisoner will eventually be released and able to use the education. Should the education be free? Yes and No. I think that basic education such as a GED or learning basic work skills are societies obligation. I do not believe that we should provide college education to inmates for free, but this should be on a case-by-case basis. Example: The US military will pay for an officer's master's degree, but require extra years of service. If the officer is too close to retirement to be able to finish the degree and still have time to pay back the government, then the education is denied. This is the model that prison education should follow.

To get back to DJ's comments, why should we spend so much money on convicted criminals. We give them large living space. I have a friend who served on a battleship in the mid-1950s. My friend was a 1st class petty officer in one of the technical ratings. His living space was a hammock; the hammocks were six high - that is, there were six sailors taking up the same small bit of floor space. We treated our valiant warfighters like this, but give convicted criminals luxury. Where did we go wrong? We forsook GOD. We are no longer a country rooted in religious values, but one of hedonism and humanism.

he·don·ism n. 1. Pursuit of or devotion to pleasure, especially to the pleasures of the senses.
hu·man·ism n. 1. A system of thought that centers on human beings and their values, capacities, and worth.
Susan Smith may deserve GOD's forgiveness, but she still must pay for her crimes on earth. Her soul may be rehabilitated, but her mind and body still have to be punished because her crimes cannot be forgiven by man. Her crime was not as much selfishness as it was carnal lust. Her needs came befroe the lives of her children. She is evil and should be punished since she cannot be rehabilitated.

Since she should never breathe free again, she should not be allowed to enjoy the privileges that other inmates can. Reserve the education, etc. for those who could benefit.

[Josie Ray]

DJ,

Do not hold back, let us know how you really feel.
Is that a joke? ;)

I have never seen so much RED in DJ's posts than that last one!

[Michael Harris]

Josie,

If your comment is to me, the answer is Yes.

[DJ Moran]

DJ,

Do not hold back, let us know how you really feel.

In all seriousness, we have inalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. We need to look at the definition first. This means that the rights we, as Americans, enjoy cannot be taken away and given to others. This is not the way most jurists see this word, but they are lawyers and do not read and write in English anyway.

The issue is that the rights cannot be taken away, but they can be given up voluntarily. By committing a serious crime, the criminal voluntarily gives up all of his/her rights to be treated as a human being. This is a little harsh, but serves for this discussion.

Susan Smith committed a despicable act and by doing so, she gave up all her rights. While the courts do not have the courage to follow through, we know what is right.

Does Susan Smith deserve anything while in prison? No! What privileges does a prisoner deserve? Try the following as a start:
place to sleep
place to maintain personal hygiene
place to eat
safety from physical abuse (from inmates and guards)
opportunity to practice his/her religion (within reason)
opportunity for physical exercise to maintain health
opportunity for rehabilitation

I do not see color TVs or VCRs or DVD palyers or tobacco products or conjugal visits or recreational opportunities on the list. Why? Because the prisoners - the convicted criminals - do not have any rights to them. I do not see that they have the right to sue the government for better conditions, but our courts let them.

Does a prisoner have the right to an education? Maybe. If it is part of a rehabilitation program and the prisoner will eventually be released and able to use the education. Should the education be free? Yes and No. I think that basic education such as a GED or learning basic work skills are societies obligation. I do not believe that we should provide college education to inmates for free, but this should be on a case-by-case basis. Example: The US military will pay for an officer's master's degree, but require extra years of service. If the officer is too close to retirement to be able to finish the degree and still have time to pay back the government, then the education is denied. This is the model that prison education should follow.

To get back to DJ's comments, why should we spend so much money on convicted criminals. We give them large living space. I have a friend who served on a battleship in the mid-1950s. My friend was a 1st class petty officer in one of the technical ratings. His living space was a hammock; the hammocks were six high - that is, there were six sailors taking up the same small bit of floor space. We treated our valiant warfighters like this, but give convicted criminals luxury. Where did we go wrong? We forsook GOD. We are no longer a country rooted in religious values, but one of hedonism and humanism.

Susan Smith may deserve GOD's forgiveness, but she still must pay for her crimes on earth. Her soul may be rehabilitated, but her mind and body still have to be punished because her crimes cannot be forgiven by man. Her crime was not as much selfishness as it was carnal lust. Her needs came befroe the lives of her children. She is evil and should be punished since she cannot be rehabilitated.

Since she should never breathe free again, she should not be allowed to enjoy the privileges that other inmates can. Reserve the education, etc. for those who could benefit.

I certainly can not add to this!! This is very well put!! Thanks, "DJ"

[DJ Moran]

Is that a joke? ;)

I have never seen so much RED in DJ's posts than that last one!

Josie, I do not want to get into a debate with my opinion, However, It is just my opinion!! ;) I do not know how many people here at IPIU have ever lost a loved one to a killer, BUT, I have!! :( So when I know this person is out of prison, and walking the streets today, Even though that person lives with what they have done, I still see Red when the United States starts catering to convicted killers!! :( I'm sorry if this does not sit well with your personal opinion, but it is how I personally feel. :( Have a Wonderful Day, and Hopefully see you on some other thread!! ;) I certainly did not intend on offending anyone here!! ;) :) Sincerely, "DJ"

[David Copeland]

Josie, I do not want to get into a debate with my opinion, However, It is just my opinion!! ;) I do not know how many people here at IPIU have ever lost a loved one to a killer, BUT, I have!! :( So when I know this person is out of prison, and walking the streets today, Even though that person lives with what they have done, I still see Red when the United States starts catering to convicted killers!! :( I'm sorry if this does not sit well with your personal opinion, but it is how I personally feel. :( Have a Wonderful Day, and Hopefully see you on some other thread!! ;) I certainly did not intend on offending anyone here!! ;) :) Sincerely, "DJ"I think you misread Josie's comment. She used a wink ;) when asking Michael if he was joking (which he was). Josie and others here all agree with your opinion, believe me. I don't know of anyone who favors Susan Smith (except the prison guards who had sex with her). Smith's original youthful picture and charm is more accurately portrayed in her recent photo as her body, morals, and daily diet of evil schemes reflects whatever she has left of her soul.

[DJ Moran]

David, I must have been seeing RED again, :o Because I did misunderstand Josie's comment!! :o This is a very touchy subject with me, I can not for the life of me, understand such acts!!! :mad: However, when the occasion arises, and I get started, I certainly do see RED. Thanks for the clarification, :) ;) "DJ"

[Stephen Scheel -]

You got to think. She might always have that sin on her hands but her fate is now much worse than her life being taken for theirs. She is at the bottom of the food chain in prison. Women can be more mean than men who have child molester as the bottom of their prison community. I am not sure which is worse to be in women prison. A baby killer or a child molester. She probable wishes she is dead now.

[Stephen Scheel -]

I don't think she will get out and I hope not. She made enough publicity that people are just waiting for her parole to come up and they will protest and petition against it.

[Stephen Scheel -]

'Torture, plain and simple': Amnesty International reports abuse in women's prisons


March 4, 1999
Web posted at: 7:55 p.m. EST (0055 GMT)


From CNN's Diane Ruggiero

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sexual abuse is "virtually a fact of life" for female prisoners in the United States, many of whom are sold by prison guards as sex slaves to male inmates, according to a new report from Amnesty International..

The report released Thursday found sexual abuse of female inmates is rampant but said many cases go unreported for fear of retaliation.

Amnesty reported an undetermined number of cases of prison guards who grope women during daily searches and who rape women.

The report also found some prison guards sell female prisoners as sex slaves to male inmates.

The report also charged prisons with providing inadequate medical care for incarcerated women, citing several cases in which leg shackles were attached to women while they were giving birth.

"The sexual abuse of women inmates is torture, plain and simple. Shackling and medical neglect of women in prison constitute cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment," said William Schulz, executive director of Amnesty International USA.

Since 1985, the women's prison population has tripled. But according to Amnesty, prison facilities have not kept pace by hiring women to guard the female population.

Seventy percent of all those who are guarding women in the United States are men; by comparison, 90 percent of such guards in Canada are women.

Twelve states do not have legislation protecting female inmates from sexual abuse, something Amnesty is lobbying to change.

The organization is also asking federal and state authorities to prohibit the use of arm or leg restraints on pregnant women; it is also asking prison authorities to guarantee quality health care to female inmates.

According to singer and human rights activist Michelle Phillips, the report "convincingly details the abuse of female prisoners and powerfully documents the erosion of their human rights."

"When a woman is incarcerated, she's expected to give up her freedom, but not her soul," Phillips said.

Source: Cnn.com
THis is just one of many things going on in female prison. Imagine all the mind games. They get sex, mental, and physical abuse. Someone like her is at the bottom of the food chain. Just think. I think she is getting her punishment. Wasn't it two life sent sentences. I disagree with some of you that she should have no contact. I agree with no rights except to always prove innocence. My fear is putting innocent people in that kind of situation. we know by her confession that she isn't

[Lisa Frye -]

You know I agree with you all here but I think we are somewhat missing the point when mother kills her children. When something like this happens we need to find out why...what happened to cause this.

There are issues that are swept under the rug that definitely need to be evaluated so this doesn’t keep happening. A mother does not just kill her babies for no reason.

It scares me because I am a very good person who loves her children...but...when I had my youngest son I realized what these so called ...how do I put this...Monster Moms(?) state of mind must have been. I was alone my hubby shipped out to sea for 7 months the day I had my son. Left alone with no family. My son had allot of problems which caused him to cry 24/7...yes, 24/7! I was a zombie.

I pleaded every single day to the pediatrician to please take him until they figured out what was wrong with him. I am now surprised when I look back that they did not try to offer some kind of help.

I realized the very fine line one has to step over to do the unthinkable. Thank God...I was able to control stepping over it. Many times I thought I would not be able to control it. I'm talking about a thin line like putting a piece of thread on the floor and seeing how thin that line is.

I think unless you have been in that situation...in that moment(s) you would never truly understand. Like I said, by the grace of God, I was able to control it...I think I was lucky! So lets not be so hasty in our judgment until we walk in the shoes of those we criticize. After all we only know what the media tells us.

I'm sure that this woman is going through H*ll having to live with what she has done. If I had harmed my child???? I wouldn't want to live anymore.

Wow,,, gotta little big long winded...so not like me. These tragedy's are a nightmare for everyone involved.

It's so scary!

Well thanks for letting me get that out! My baby...the one I was referring to is now 13! :)
I was the lucky one!

Take care

Lisa

[Michael Harris]

Lisa,

You missed the point. We know why she killed her children. Her love interest said he did not want children around. To get him back, Susan Smith killed her children. It is as simple as that - her physical lust was a major factor. The fact that the ex-boyfriend was rich is the other factor.

Does she regret killing her kids? No.

Is every day a living hell for her? No.

She is not worth your sympathy or pity, she is an evil person.

[Lori A Marshall]

I agree Michael. Susan Smith acted selfishly. She did not want to be viewed as a "bad" mother by giving her kids to relatives or their father, instead she concocted an elaborate story and tried to snow the public. She was interested in what she felt was best for her, a way out, another life, something "better" in her mind.

She definitely does not deserve our pity, she acted ruthlessly and with premeditation then enlisted a caring and sympathetic public to feel sorry for her and join in her plight to find her children. I wonder how those precious children felt as their lungs filled with water and they died a horrible death at the bottom of that lake, scared and all alone. Susan's reckoning will come one day, I'm glad this isn't one that got away.

[Sandra Leach--]

Michael and Lori,

You are so right about Susan Smith. I'm glad the truth was found out. When I think of those poor, scared little children, it makes my blood boil that she would do something like this and then try to pin it on someone else ! :mad:

She wasn't a tired, alone mother who didn't know how to cope with the situation. She chose a man over her children and it wasn't her husband, which just adds insult to injury !! :mad: :(

Sandra :)