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Donna Reagan
07-02-2003, 10:47 PM
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Kelly Root in her Hamtramck home.

Remains of the day:
Artist-turned-evidentiary photographer plies her trade at the county morgue.


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"Forensic photographer Kelly Root turns the pages of a portfolio of evidence pictures at the Wayne County Medical Examiner’s Office. She’s surrounded by a group of students from a photography class she teaches at Oakland Community College. They’ve come on a blustery Saturday morning in March for a field trip, to get a glimpse of Root’s work at this, one of the nation’s busiest morgues.

"Root hardly pauses as she skims through the images, rattling off details of each case. There are suicides, auto accidents, murders. The photos are startling, showing the carnage of gunshot wounds and the gore of autopsies in cold, unblinking clinical detail. The students look on, mute. But Root is unruffled.

Coming to a set of pictures that show a man lying on the floor and a close-up of a dead rodent, Root glances up. “This is interesting,” she says “This guy, he had a gun and he went to kill a mouse. He hit the mouse with the butt of the gun and it went off and killed him. So there’s the mouse in the corner.”

The students look at each other, apparently unsure of how to respond. Finally, one ventures timidly: “Did he get the mouse?”

Root’s lips compress into a hard line that’s neither a smile nor a grimace. Her response is deadpan. “Yeah,” she says, flipping to the next page, “he killed the mouse and himself at the same time.”

Root, one of her student guests comments, “doesn’t look like someone you’d expect to be working here.” Indeed, with her long blond hair, rosy complexion and delicately defined features, the 25-year-old looks more like a J. Crew model than the pasty, ghoulish mortuary worker of popular imagination.

Root doesn’t have the background you might expect of someone in her line of work either. She never planned to go into a forensic field; rather, she found her way to clinical photography from the distant world of the fine arts.

Growing up in a comfortable home in the Flint suburb of Flushing, this daughter of two GM assembly line workers was always interested in art. In high school she dabbled in painting and drawing before discovering photography. “I fell in love with the process,” she explains. “I loved watching images come up in the developer.” She was fascinated by the camera’s ability to capture and preserve a moment in time. It made her look at the things and people around her, she says, “in a whole new light.”

Photography quickly became her focus. “It was the only thing I was good at,” she says. After graduation, art school was the obvious choice. With her parents’ enthusiastic support she enrolled in the photography program at Detroit’s prestigious College for Creative Studies.

At CCS, Root’s interest in studying her surroundings led her to specialize in social documentary photography, a genre similar to photojournalism with its realism and emphasis on narrative. Working on undergraduate projects such as a study of street scenes on New York’s Lower East Side, or a series of portraits of twentysomething Detroiters, Root developed a rigorous, no-frills photographic style.

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She prefers to shoot full-frame, meaning she doesn’t crop or otherwise manipulate her pictures after they’re printed. It’s a technique that emphasizes the photo’s content and demands a keen eye for storytelling and composition. “My photos are not always about the visual,” Root explains. “They’re more about the subject matter. It’s what the photo shows that matters most to me, not necessarily whether it looks like a piece of art.”

For her senior thesis project, Root chose to depict the process of embalming. Originally, she says, she wanted to document the experiences of people who work alongside death on a daily basis — doctors, medics, morticians, cops — and investigate how this contact affects their daily lives. “I got the best feedback from funeral homes, so I narrowed the scope of the project to focus on the process and environment of embalming,” she says.

She readily admits that it was a macabre subject for a photo thesis. But, she says, she wasn’t drawn to the topic out of simple morbid fascination. Instead, she chose to study embalming because it’s a completely ordinary, everyday occurrence that’s viewed as extraordinary. “It’s something that happens every day in every mortuary in Michigan, that will happen to most of us. Yet people don’t ever discuss it,” she explains. Her goal with the thesis, she continues, was to shed light on this otherwise hidden part of everyday life.

Another appeal of the project was the personal challenge it presented. “I got into that [thesis topic] because I wondered how I would react to the subject and how it would show in my photography,” she explains. “I wondered if I would shy away from it, if my photos would be from, like, 20 feet away. It made me go outside of my boundaries, both as a photographer and as a person.”

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She quickly learned to adopt the morticians’ straightforward, matter-of-fact manner and attitude as well. “You know, at first it was uncomfortable. They [morticians] would make these morbid jokes and I was, like, ‘Oh, weird.’ But you adjust; when you work with it every day, it becomes part of [the experience],” she explains. “Maybe you don’t become totally comfortable with it, but you learn to accept it to a certain extent.”

The final product reflects this sense of acceptance. Though the project’s 27 images depict the preparation of the body in jarring, unflinching detail, they manage to overcome the initial repugnance of their subject matter and even lend it an unexpected and incongruous beauty.

In one shot, for example, a coil of rubber tubing turns gracefully over a corpse’s chest as a mortician inserts an IV of formaldehyde into a vein; in another, a woman lies on a table, her skin as luminescent as polished alabaster.

In all, it’s only the photos’ stark, somber beauty that makes them viewable. “The art quality of those photos was very important to me,” Root explains. “The composition, the light, the color — I wanted them to be as beautiful as possible in order to engage the viewer.”

Predictably, the thesis elicited much strong reaction. When it was displayed at her graduating class show, Root says, viewers were either powerfully drawn to it or powerfully repelled. “It was interesting to see people’s response. They would walk by, look at it, then look away. They didn’t know what to make of it. Some people would stop and take a closer look; others would keep going and avoid it.”

Comments in Root’s exhibit book illustrate this ambivalence. A note from a photo student praises her work as “intense” while another comment condemns it as “totally unnecessary and disrespectful.” Yet another viewer writes, “I’m getting cremated. Thanks for helping me come to this decision.” Someone else, who identifies himself as a photographer from a family of funeral directors, counters, “I would never disrespect the dead like you have.”

An especially offended viewer writes: “Your [sic] a sick son of a 00000 go to hell! I hope I see you so I can kick your ***. Plus I hate you.”

Much to Root’s frustration, the ambivalence toward her work extended to some of the CCS faculty. Her thesis, she says, was placed in an out-of-the-way part of the exhibit area; she thinks the curators did this to avoid controversy.

Root’s friend and former CCS photography classmate Carrie Williams agrees. “Kelly was always one of the best in the photo program,” she says. “Everyone assumed she would be featured in the center gallery. When she wasn’t, we were all surprised. Everyone thought it was politics.”

Root was bemused by the negative response to her thesis — but wasn’t surprised. She admits that she was gratified to see viewers’ strong reactions, but insists that her aim wasn’t simply to be shocking. “Maybe it has shock value,” she says, “but there’s educational value too.”

She argues that objections stem mostly from people’s discomfort and unwillingness to talk — or even think — about death. Projects such as her thesis, she believes, are beneficial in that they compel viewers to ponder the frightening but inescapable fact of their own mortality. She contends that her photos do not compromise the dignity of her subjects. Rather, they show the truth of what happens to the body after death — a truth that may be disturbing, but that is nonetheless inevitable. “People don’t think about what happens to their loved ones after they die. They just blindly hand them over to the mortician. I wanted to show them what really goes on.”

While researching her thesis, Root became acquainted with Joseph Sopkowicz, the head forensic photographer at the Wayne County Medical Examiner’s Office. After her 2000 graduation, Root became a photography intern at the Warren Avenue office. At the end of her internship she began her present job as assistant forensic photographer. She is responsible for photographing cadavers that come through the office on weekends, holidays and when the chief photographer is away.

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The duties of the forensic photographer go far beyond just snapping an identifying photo of the deceased. Standing in the viewing gallery that looks through a plate-glass window into the main exam room, Root explains to her students that the photographers also must physically prepare the bodies for photography. Preparation can include cleaning wounds to make them more visible to the camera and “breaking rigor” — forcing down limbs that have contracted in rigor mortis.

While preparing subjects for photography, the photographers sometimes discover wounds missed in the initial examination; Root gives the example of a recent case where she came across a gunshot wound in a subject’s ear that had been obscured by blood and passed over by the examining pathologist.

In other cases, such as with self-inflicted gunshot wounds to the head, the photographers may even have to reconstruct the remains of a corpse’s face to make an ID picture possible.

As Root details her duties, autopsy technicians wheel the day’s cases into main exam area. It’s a long, high-ceilinged room divided into several workspaces, each with a stainless steel exam table and sink.

Every surface shines pristine and antiseptic in the diffuse sunlight that comes through the skylight overhead. On a wall an autopsy technician has posted pictures of the cartoon characters Lilo and Stitch; in one of the workstations a small radio murmurs the sedate sounds of a smooth jazz station.

It’s a “slow day,” with only seven bodies to be examined. Root says she has worked days when the room was crowded with as many as 20. Among the cases on this Saturday morning are two suspected suicides, a teenager who was shot to death at a house party, and the skeletal remains of a child found in a vacant lot. The latter, arrayed on an exam table with the sheet and clothing with which the body was found, seem to pique the interest of the autopsy technicians. One picks up the skull with a gloved hand, examines what appears to be a fracture, and shakes her head.

“If it gets to be too much for you and you want to leave, there’s an exit around the corner,” Root says, indicating a side door.

Then she leaves her students in the gallery to join the team of autopsy technicians and pathologists, headed by chief medical examiner Dr. Sawait Kanluen. The team members, all clad in plastic aprons and gloves, move from table to table as Kanluen examines the corpses. Root listens attentively and jots down notes on a clipboard as the pathologist points out injuries and identifying features to be documented.

Minutes later, Root wheels the first case, one of the suspected suicides, into the photo room. It’s a cramped space that smells strongly of disinfectant. In a sink a faucet pours into an overflowing container of instruments; on an adjacent counter sits a large handheld digital camera and an array of forceps, rulers and other tools laid out on a tray.

Root’s manner is brisk and precise as she prepares to take the photos. She instructs her assistant, photo intern Nasreen Aziz, in a clipped, businesslike voice. She takes the identifying frontal shots, then she and Aziz flip the body to get a posterior view. They handle the corpse smoothly, confidently; neither seems to shrink from touching it. One of the students comments that it’s strange to see a human body move so stiffly; Root agrees, saying that the rigidity is a result of rigor mortis. As she shoots, she explains the technical details of the process to the students — the camera settings, how she frames the shots to best show injuries or important details, how she methodically changes her double set of gloves and disinfects the instruments and camera between each case.

She points to the rows of lights in the ceiling and smiles wryly. “Those used to be incandescent lights. I’m glad they changed them. It must’ve gotten really hot in here under all those.”

One of the students asks if Root ever feels uncomfortable in such a small room with the bodies. She laughs lightly. “Well,” she says, “when I first started, I wasn’t too thrilled about being in here alone with a case with the door shut. But I guess it doesn’t bother me now.”

With the shots finished, Root and Aziz peel off their gloves and aprons. Root puts the instruments in the sink to be disinfected, notes the shots on her clipboard, and returns the body to the main room.

In all, the shoot has taken only a few minutes. Root says that she tries to work as speedily as possible. “I just want things to move quickly and smoothly. I don’t want to hold anyone else up.” The photos, she says, must be completed before the autopsy is performed because they may be shown to the next of kin or used in court. “You really can’t do them after the autopsy. No one wants to see a photo of a person who’s been eviscerated.”

When it’s time to photograph the murdered teen, Root warns the students that the youth suffered a gunshot wound to the head. “If you don’t think you want to see that, you can go back to the photo office and wait for us,” she says. Several of the students nod uneasily and follow Aziz out of the exam room.

Root consults with one of the assistant medical examiners. He points out the multiple gunshot wounds to the youth’s head and chest. Apparently, the boy was shot to death some hours earlier after an argument over a rap song. The body, the doctor notes, is still slightly warm to the touch. Root shakes her head and comments on how young the boy looks. Then, following the doctor’s instructions, she slips a plastic block under the head, shaves the scalp at the site of the bullet’s entrance and takes a series of close-up shots.

One of the guests asks Root if she reacts differently to photographing victims of homicide, as opposed to natural deaths or suicides. Root ponders the question for a moment, then replies, “I guess I’m pretty detached from it. Sometimes I think about it, but for the most part I focus on my job. I didn’t see them suffer or die … it’s after the fact. I just focus on taking the picture the best way I can.”

Few cases shock her, Root continues. One of the few situations with the power to shake her detachment is when she sees a child who has died violently. “Sometimes when there’s a child, when I’m closing their eyes, I’ll say a little prayer, I’ll hope they didn’t suffer so much,” she says. “I know that they’re at peace now. So, yeah, I do think about it, but I realize that there’s nothing that can be done now. And my job is to make sure that there’s evidence to help catch and bring to justice whoever’s responsible for their death.”

The knowledge that her photography plays a part in the meting out of justice, Root explains later, is one of the most gratifying aspects of her job. She’s dismayed to hear that forensic photos don’t always make it into court. “They don’t like to show the pictures to juries,” she says. “They think they’re too much to handle.”

Nevertheless, Root believes that it’s important for people to see such images — for the same reason that it’s important for them to see depictions of procedures such as embalming. To her, it’s all part of being fully aware. Most people, she says, don’t realize how tenuous our grip on life really is, or how quickly and easily that grip can come undone.

“People die every day,” she says. “And sometimes they die so pointlessly, so stupidly.”

It is people’s inability to fathom their own mortality, and the mortality of others, she suggests, that too often leads to such senseless deaths.

She points to the example of the slain teen. “I just don’t understand it. People don’t think death can happen to them. They don’t understand the consequences of their actions. I mean, to shoot someone? Over a rap song?” She is incredulous. “Is it that they don’t understand the consequences of shooting someone, or that they just don’t [care]? Or are their lives worth so little to them?” She shakes her head.

“That’s what I want to show people,” she continues. “I want to show them consequences.”

Root’s small Hamtramck flat is a bright, cozy place: Old family portraits and photos from former classmates adorn the living room walls; a wall alcove houses a statue of Shiva, the Hindu god of destruction and re-creation; a jackalope head hangs near a window. Root sits cross-legged on a small armchair in front of a bookshelf stacked with photography monographs, novels and medical textbooks. She’s a gracious hostess, offering coffee and slices of poppy seed roll from a nearby Polish bakery. It’s a far cry from her brusque efficiency at work.

Still, even relaxed at home, Root is self-possessed and frank discussing herself and her work.

She admits that she has always had a rather dark worldview. Her experience at the morgue, she says, has only supported this. Seeing the terrible things that people do to each other has given her an insider’s glimpse of what “really” goes on in the world — “or at least in Wayne County,” she adds. It has also made her think that the world is a much weirder, scarier place than the average person realizes.

She emphasizes that it hasn’t made her trust people less. But it has made her more aware of her surroundings. She reads more into people’s actions and tries harder to divine their motives and intentions.

She has also become more conscious of her dealings with the opposite sex. The men that come through the morgue, she says, typically die of “straightforward” causes — accident, suicide, murder. They’re also more likely to be killed by strangers. Women, on the other hand, almost invariably suffer sexual violence, often at the hands of loved ones or acquaintances.

Predictably, she’s become more conscious of her own mortality. But, on the whole, she isn’t worried about finding herself on a table at the medical examiner’s office. “I don’t use drugs or sell drugs, I’m not in an abusive relationship, I don’t drive drunk or speed on icy roads,” she says, pointing out that, compared to most of the victims of untimely death that she sees in the morgue, she lives a low-risk lifestyle.

Root acknowledges that she is, to a certain extent, fascinated with the macabre. But it’s a normal fascination, she believes. “Everybody has that curiosity — they want to know how other people live, and how people die. They want to know about their compulsive little habits, eating batteries and metal, people who eat their hair. I just get to see the most negative aspects of that.”

Moreover, she emphasizes, “It makes me grateful for my life, my family. Like, my family’s not perfect — but it could be worse. Much worse.”

She doesn’t think that her experience at the morgue has changed her much. Her younger brother, David, agrees. He hasn’t noticed any great difference in his sister since she began working as a forensic photographer, he says by phone from Mt. Pleasant, where he’s a senior at Central Michigan University. The only noticeable change, he says, is that she’s grown more self-assured and confident than ever.

So confident, in fact, that she sometimes intimidates his friends on first introduction. “She’s older, attractive, smart,” he says. “I’ve had people say ‘Your sister scares me — I don’t know what to do around her. She’s too smart.’”

But, he says, his friends quickly realize that she is as personable and outgoing as she is intelligent.

Root knows that what she does isn’t for everyone — and she admits that on some days it can be too much for her. “Sometimes it doesn’t sit well. Sometimes you’ll get a really strong whiff of something you don’t want to smell. … It’s not the most pleasant thing to be around. I don’t know if I’d want to do it every day. Some days, when I have to photograph, like, eight cases, I’m like, ‘Man, I’m done.’”

But on the whole, she’s learned to accept most aspects of the job — even to see the work as normal. “Not that people are expendable, but I realize that people die every day. I’m going to die, you’re going to die. It’s part of living,” she says. “I think you can grow accustomed to anything.”

One of her coping mechanisms seems to be a healthy sense of humor. Root clearly doesn’t take herself too seriously. Her cell phone ringer, for instance, plays the theme from Bach’s “Toccata and Fugue in D Minor” — the organ riff that has become a scary-movie stereotype. And she makes no secret of her love of kitschy horror flicks, especially cornball thrillers such as Reanimator and Evil Dead.

She has no taste for more realistic depictions of gore in movies like The Silence of the Lambs, however. Those movies “don’t appeal to me,” she says. “I guess I don’t appreciate the novelty or shock the way someone else would. To me it’s just disturbing.”

She adds that the currently stylish, hyperrealistic carnage in films like Saving Private Ryan and on TV shows like “CSI” and “NYPD Blue” only adds to the public’s skewed view of death. “The concepts that they use in those shows are mostly accurate,” she explains, “but they’re still glamorized. They’re presented in this ‘gritty, realistic’ way, so people think they’re getting this glimpse of what really happens. But it’s still fake.”

Representing the truth has become more important than ever to Root. The rigorous accuracy demanded by her forensic work, she says, has increased her concern for clarity, detail and realism. At the morgue, she says, “there’s no room for my personal take on [the subjects].” Her pictures are strictly defined by their status as documents; ideally, the work of every clinical photographer should be identical.

Nevertheless, she often finds herself applying the rules of composition she learned in art school to her clinical work. Rather than simply taking a functional but uncomposed snapshot, she says, “I try to make sure everything is clean and neat and lined up and flawless. Because you want to concentrate on the characteristics of the [subject’s] injury and not how the photograph was taken.”

Root says she was “burnt out” on art photography after graduating from CCS. Dissatisfied with and uninspired by the Detroit art scene, she focused all her energies on her work at the Medical Examiner’s Office. It’s only recently that she’s begun to shoot for herself again.

At the same time that her fine arts training subtly influences her forensic work, her morgue experience has unsubtly influenced her technique and interests in art photography.

Root believes there’s a natural link between her art and forensic photography. Her aim in both of the two seemingly distant fields is the same: to tell a strong story in as direct a fashion as possible, with great attention to accuracy and detail.

“I guess I’ve got kind of an anal streak,” she says, then corrects herself. “No, wait. I shouldn’t say ‘anal.’ I should say ‘precise.’ It’s like ‘I’m a photography machine.’”

One current project depicts scenes, objects and textures from her past; its aim, she says, is to document these easily overlooked yet evocative aspects of her childhood. It includes environmental portraits of her family’s Flushing home, as well as meticulous studies of surfaces that are touchstones of her childhood — the wallpaper and carpet in her old bedroom, the polished grain of an old wooden door.

It’s all part of a desire to put herself into her pictures. “I’ve been taking pictures of other people for so long. Now I want to become part of the process, so I’m not just photographing other people, I’m photographing myself and putting myself in the same context.”

Root’s most ambitious current project is the Williams Root Gallery, the showcase that she and Carrie Williams will soon open in Hamtramck. Though both women are photographers, the gallery will be open to all media, not just photography. Its first show, planned to be a benefit for the Hamtramck police and fire departments, is tentatively scheduled for the end of the summer.

Williams, who lives downstairs from Root, is excited by the prospect of collaborating with her old friend and former classmate. Though the two have very different styles — Williams creates photo collages that depict fantastic or mythical beings and events and are a universe removed from Root’s gritty hyperrealism — Williams says that they have similar aesthetic senses and have long worked together. “Kelly is the first person I ask for advice. We always critique each other’s stuff — I know where she’s coming from,” she says.

Root is unsure where her work or her gallery will fit into the local photography scene. Speaking about the state of the arts in Detroit, she’s characteristically blunt. In Detroit, she says, too much attention is paid to “rock ’n’ roll and seedy underworld scenes,” while there is a dearth of high-concept, risky, well-crafted art. She and Williams hope to fill this void with their gallery.

“Hamtramck’s great,” Root says. “There’s really no pretension there. I come from a family of blue-collar workers; I feel at home here. I wouldn’t feel comfortable opening a gallery anywhere else.”

She takes a long view of the pertinence of her photography. “People always say, ‘Oh, it’s all been photographed before.’ But not in your time period. One thing about my pictures, they might not be so interesting now, but in 20 years they may be worth a lot more.” Besides, she adds, she’s in no rush: “Most photographers’ work isn’t even appreciated until after they’re dead.”

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Donna Reagan
07-02-2003, 10:49 PM
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Camille Selby
07-03-2003, 01:22 AM
I must state that this has been a very informative article about Forensic and/or Evidentiary Photography. I feel inspired to continue to pursue this subject as a career option. I am looking forward to learning a lot more. By the way, what is the competition like for these types of jobs? I am assuming that there aren’t many people beating down the doors of morgues in order to become a Forensic and/or Evidentiary Photographer. I don't know one person who is driven to make this a career option except myself. Are there others involved in this field I can correspond with?

Deborah Siehl
07-03-2003, 04:21 PM
Originally posted by Camille Selby
I must state that this has been a very informative article about Forensic and/or Evidentiary Photography. I feel inspired to continue to pursue this subject as a career option. I am looking forward to learning a lot more. By the way, what is the competition like for these types of jobs? I am assuming that there aren’t many people beating down the doors of morgues in order to become a Forensic and/or Evidentiary Photographer. I don't know one person who is driven to make this a career option except myself. Are there others involved in this field I can correspond with?

Hi Camille,

I am attending college to become involved in Forensics. I was first introduced to the field by an instructor for my investigations degree. He and his wife both work for the same agency. He is a forensic photographer and his wife does the fingerprinting.

What really intrigued me was the fact the truth will be told no matter what the stories are from family or said witness'. Example: She says her boyfriend shot himself. What the murderer doesn't know is the victim's position, the direction of blood flow, and the angle of the entrance of the bullet can all point to, this person didn't kill himself. The blood patterns on the wall and floor will tell the truth also.

This field is so fascinating. I am looking forward to learning in deep detail about this. Another thing I learned was like fingerprints, no two bullets are the same. The areas of forensics are many.

Here is a book you can either buy or check out at your local library. Opportunities in Forensic Science Careers. It has more than I knew existed. I want to do crime scene analysis.

Have a great holiday weekend.

Deborah Siehl

May K. Toney
07-03-2003, 08:18 PM
Good evening, Donna

I really enjoyed this article. I'm currently deciding on an area of expertise in the PI arena. Since I'm totally new to the field, I've been collecting bits and pieces of information found in the forums to help me choose a career path. I must say, that this field sounds fascinating. There's a lot of detailed here that sheds a lot of light on the field of forensic evidentiary photography. It will help me make a more informed decision about my future career objectives.

Thanks so much for sharing. Enjoy the holiday.

Robert Smith -
07-04-2003, 08:42 PM
I have to say that I have never really ever heard of anyone that just loves to do this kind of work. The story was very interesting, and the fact that she didn't let anyones opinion or negative feedback on her work get in her, makes for an even better story. I hope that the gallery that she is working on does very well and that she continues to do what she wants to do and not let anyone elses opinion come into play for any of her decisions.

Deborah Siehl
07-04-2003, 10:21 PM
Originally posted by Robert Smith
I have to say that I have never really ever heard of anyone that just loves to do this kind of work.

Hi Robert,

When I tell close friends and family members that I want to do Forensics, I get a lot of negative responses. Eew! You want to see dead bodies and all the gore. For me, it is a passion for the field. The fact that science doesn't lie and the right person will be punished.

Just my feelings, most people can't relate.

Deborah Siehl

Camille Selby
07-05-2003, 12:33 AM
Originally posted by Deborah Siehl

Just my feelings, most people can't relate.

Deborah Siehl


This one can!

I am sure the ones who are uncomfortable with this subject of forensics want justice for wrong doing. Everyone wants justice. Someone has got to do the work to get it.

Oh and by the way... thank you for the information on the book. I will get it as soon as I can.

Deborah Siehl
07-05-2003, 01:18 AM
Originally posted by Camille Selby


Oh and by the way... thank you for the information on the book. I will get it as soon as I can.

No Problem Camille, it was a book I came across at the library and checked out to explore the opportunities.

My problem is, I don't know how the job works. I am doing one of two forensic degrees offered in my area, and I want to be at the scene, in the lab and out there talking with the witness's. I will start all the science and math core classes in January. So I have plenty of time to find out what I'll be doing.

Deborah Siehl

Kathleen Padgett
07-09-2003, 01:44 PM
Forensics sounds like it would be an interesting field with many options to pursue. It also seems like it would be an area with a high degree of specialty. This is a very informative article as well and I appreciate the different views and perspectives offered. Another aspect to consider when deciding which areas of PI work to explore.

Carolynne Giffoni -
07-09-2003, 02:30 PM
Forensics is indeed an interesting arena of investigation. I enjoy watching CSI on TV but I don't have the stomach for seeing cadavers. I certainly admire those that do their jobs so well and with such knowledge. My preference is to seek out evidence and turn it over to the experts who've chosen that field.

Carolynne

Tawnya Crowshoe
07-17-2003, 02:40 PM
Hello,

I was wondering what the steps are to get into the forensic/evidentiary photography? This is what I want to do! Also, what is the wage like for something like this?

Tawnya.

Kimberly Lackey
07-20-2003, 06:54 PM
Hi Tawnya,

I merged your question here so that others with an interest and knowledge of forensic/evidentiary photography would see your question. :)

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After you post your introduction, you will also be given important links that will help you to learn how to use the forums effectively and to understand the application process.

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Mr Jose Bonavich Jr
07-20-2003, 10:07 PM
Donna,

Excellent article and the links are also very informative. I studied photography in college, but no one ever suggested Forensic Photography as a career option.

This has certainly given me something to think about. :)

Michael Gonzales -
07-26-2003, 07:53 PM
I love photography. The other eye from your eye. I will be taking a Forensic Certtificate course this fall. I hope to be involved in this area of science. I hope to become involved as medical investigator with our Regional Forensic Center. Once again, your article was such a great source of information and was presented in a very positive manner. It's been a while since I have read an article that was not difficult to follow, you have great writing talent, thanks again and may your future in this area continue to grow.

Marisa Cardona
07-26-2003, 08:46 PM
Excellent article! I love taking photos and never even thought about this avenue. More research.
Marisa

Danny King -
07-27-2003, 12:37 AM
Thanks for the info, I think I will have to read that again to get it all.

Chanelle Stevenson
07-28-2003, 08:26 PM
Donna,

This was an excellent article. This field is so vast. You can literally make your own career in several areas of forensics.

Forensic Files is one of my favorite television shows. I would prefer working in a crime lab to determine the specifics of the actual lab reports from the testing of materials from a crime scene.

My area of direct focus is on Computer Forensics, which does not deal with cadavors directly, however, the possibility of theft of money and/or property can very easily lead to a crime involving murder.

This field of photography sounds like it is very challenging and it would take a very dedicated individual to pursue it.

Thanks for this information, it was very interesting. I appreciated reading it.

Chanelle Stevenson
Computer Forensics Private Investigator Trainee

:)

Michael Harris
08-02-2003, 10:28 PM
I am a photographer and I would love to use my skills in some aspect of investigation. However, I am not sure that I would want to have to deal with a dead body and say thnigs like "could you look this way a bit." The prospect of having to 'position' my models is not appealing.

I am very happy for Keyy Root.

Andre Scott
08-04-2003, 06:34 PM
Outstanding article... The money has to be outstanding too.

Diane Jarosz
08-07-2003, 10:29 AM
What a captivating story!
DJ

Chris A Brandt
08-16-2003, 08:41 PM
As a Partime Deputy Medical Examiner this is a great idea!
The cross over of information and the experience alone is
overwhelming.
Great article on Forensic Photography Thanks for sharing...:)

Michael Harris
08-16-2003, 09:05 PM
Chris,

Sounds like interesting work. :) :D :cool:

Amanda Monroe
08-20-2003, 12:51 AM
I enjoyed this article. I like to watch all those forensic TV shows like CSI/Forensic files/The System. I had thought about going into forensic photography, just for the fact that I love to take pictures. (I also work in a one hour photo lab). But after reading this article, I have second thoughts, I'm unsure I could move body parts to get a good picture or clean a wound. However, It still sounds very interesting to me. I guess I have a lot to think about.

Chris A Brandt
08-20-2003, 10:01 PM
Amanda Monroe

Just thought I would responded to your forum.
When I work with the deseased I always try to look at it as,
being compassonate. How would I want to be treated if I was Dead? I have confidence that you would also. So go for what your dreams are.

Chris A Brandt:) :) :)

Marisa Cardona
08-21-2003, 08:13 AM
Amanda,
I agree with Chris. If this interests you, try it. You may be able to handle more that what you think. I, myself, was so intrigued by this article I have been looking at finding some affordable equipment to see if it is something I could pursue. Like you I love taking pictures and it would be interesting to combine Private Investigating with a hobby. You'll never know what you are capable of handling unless you try it. I think you would do very well!:D
Just food for thought!
See you on the forums!

Chris A Brandt
08-21-2003, 08:38 PM
Marisa

Well said! Keep the faith.:) :) :)

Marisa Cardona
08-22-2003, 07:59 AM
Chris,
Thank you, thank you! You are too kind. All we can do is try, right? And have a little faith. ;) I needed this reminder. I'll need every bit of faith while I wait for the results of my test.

So much to do. So little time. <sigh>:rolleyes:

Best of luck to all!:D :) :cool: ;)

Colleen L Hayes -
08-23-2003, 08:27 PM
Donna,

Great article. I worked in a funeral home for 12 years. I've been interested in forensics since. Death is so uncomfortable to most people and working around the dead and with death takes its toll after awhile. Not everyone can do it. You either love what you do or you don't do it.

Michael Harris
08-23-2003, 08:43 PM
Colleen,

I empathize with you. I, personally, have not dealt with death on a daily basis.

I have a good friend who used to be an ER nurse. It burned her out in about a dozen years. It was the kids from abusive homes that really got to her. She had to leave nursing. By then she was a little old for her former profession - naked go-go dancer. :cool:

Jeff Creedon
08-27-2003, 02:12 PM
That was a good article, obviously not for everyone, those people that "feel" others pain probably should stick with the local portrait studio.

Jeff

Robert L Shipley -
09-05-2003, 11:53 PM
She is great.
I hope I become half as good as Kelly Root.

I love taking pictures. We share our pictures all the time on the web.

Ken Rohrer
09-17-2003, 10:51 PM
Originally posted by Donna Reagan
For other Forensic Photographer resources,

Click here:
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22Forensic+photographer%22&ei=UTF-8&fr=slv1&vm=i&n=20&fl=0&x=wrt

Your thoughts on the review of the above article? <blockquote>As a former art teacher, I found the article fascinating. It reminded me of the movie, "Road to Perdition" starring Tom Hanks. In that movie a photographer not only shot pictures he "shot" pictures. Meaning he kiiled the victims he photographed.<P>Somewhere I saw an exhibit of murder scenes where the photographer tried to make it an artistic picture- unusual angles, special filters, etc. I used to have a darkroom and have an interest in photography. Hmmm, I wonder.... </blockquote>

Chris A Brandt
09-19-2003, 08:15 PM
Ken

Great resource on the web-sites, Thank you. As a photographer
this stuff is very interesting!:)
Good luck in your future!

Michael Harris
09-20-2003, 04:24 PM
Ken,

That reminded me of an episode of "The X-Files" in which a photography knew when a death would occur and took eerie B&W shots of the freshly dead.

Ken Rohrer
09-20-2003, 11:12 PM
Originally posted by Michael Harris
Ken,

That reminded me of an episode of "The X-Files" in which a photography knew when a death would occur and took eerie B&W shots of the freshly dead. <blockquote>Oh, that was my favorite show while it was on the air. I think I probably saw every episode at least once.</blockquote>

B Ann Craig
09-21-2003, 10:18 AM
I remember that X-files show. It was a good one. ;)

Have a wonderful weekend. Take care. :)

Michael Harris
09-21-2003, 11:06 PM
Ann,

That was a very good show. The actor who played the photographer has been around for half a century.

Clinton Hendricks
09-22-2003, 03:49 AM
What a positive role model you are. I'm excited about what I'm about to get myself involved in. This is only one example of what I may be able to spend time investigating.

Love it,

B Ann Craig
09-24-2003, 09:34 AM
Michael, http://www.ipiu.org/forums//images/icons/icon14.gif He has been around a long time.

Have a wonderful week. Take care. :)

Lisa Hawkinson
09-24-2003, 09:54 AM
I'm glad to read that I'm not that only one that isn't turned-off by viewing cadavers. Well I'm not "turned-on" either. :D

I had to view cadavers during the training process of a former career path, and I found it extremely interesting to see all the layers of muscle, veins, arteries, etc.... while my fellow classmates were peeking thru the fingers covering their eyes!

Though these were mostly "healthy" bodies, not ones that were mangled and bloody........:eek: maybe that would change my view? I don't know.

Certainly an area for me to check out.

Thanks for posting the article, and for the other suggestions about forensics above.

Malea Wigand
10-07-2003, 10:15 PM
Stimulating article packed with deadening reality!

Ken Rohrer
10-07-2003, 11:58 PM
Originally posted by Lisa Hawkinson
I'm glad to read that I'm not that only one that isn't turned-off by viewing cadavers. Well I'm not "turned-on" either. :D
<blockquote>That comment reminds me of the time I was able to watch my father perform and appendectemy on someone at the hospital. This was before they forbade any non-medical personnel in the room. I did OK until they pulled up an intestine with the forceps. The nurse caught me as I fainted. I think I was only about 12 years old at the time. Before my dad became a doctor he fainted at the site of blood. I guess it goes to show you that fears can come and go...</blockquote>

Michael Harris
10-08-2003, 04:34 PM
Ken,

When my older sister was in nursing school (she is an RN), she used to watch operations and get hungry!

Ken Rohrer
10-08-2003, 11:15 PM
Originally posted by Michael Harris
Ken,

When my older sister was in nursing school (she is an RN), she used to watch operations and get hungry! <blockquote>:D As a teenager I became immune to the blood and guts because my father would share all the nitty details of his surgeries and procedures during supper. It got so I could eat anything and still listen to his bloody stories. Later in college some classmates were trying to gross me out in the commons while I was eating and nothing fazed me. They were amazed. I attribute that to my father's stories.</blockquote>

B Ann Craig
10-09-2003, 09:39 AM
Originally posted by Ken Rohrer
<blockquote>Later in college some classmates were trying to gross me out in the commons while I was eating and nothing fazed me. They were amazed. I attribute that to my father's stories.</blockquote>
Ken, I just thought I would ask, if you went to Indiana University? Every time I hear the word "commons", when someone is talking about college, I think of the commons at IU. ;)

Have a wonderful week. Take care. :)

Ken Rohrer
10-09-2003, 08:33 PM
Originally posted by B Ann Craig

Ken, I just thought I would ask, if you went to Indiana University? Every time I hear the word "commons", when someone is talking about college, I think of the commons at IU. ;)

Have a wonderful week. Take care. :) <blockquote>I received my Masters from IU but at the Indianapolis campus. My grandfather and parents attended IU Bloomington however. I have had many visits to the Bloomington campus and picked up on their lingo. The incident I was referring to happened at Ball State University, however. There they call them "dining halls" as if the food were of dining quality! :D </blockquote>

B Ann Craig
10-09-2003, 10:37 PM
I went to IU Bloonington, Ivy Tech in Bloomington, NRI Schools, and a summer at Purdue, also. My Purdue time was, many, many moons ago. :D

My younger brother's son went to IUPUI, and his youngest daughter is going to Purdue.

It nice to find someone at IPIU that has gone to IU. ;) Did you teach computers? This thought I would ask. ;)

Have a wonderful week. Take care. :)

Ken Rohrer
10-09-2003, 11:27 PM
Originally posted by B Ann Craig
I went to IU Bloonington, Ivy Tech in Bloomington, NRI Schools, and a summer at Purdue, also. My Purdue time was, many, many moons ago. :D

My younger brother's son went to IUPUI, and his youngest daughter is going to Purdue.

It nice to find someone at IPIU that has gone to IU. ;) Did you teach computers? This thought I would ask. ;)<blockquote>Actually I taught art but I have taught online computer courses. I am currently teaching online computer courses for the University of Phoenix.<P>I took a few classes at IU-Bloomington to renew my teaching license.</blockquote>

B Ann Craig
10-10-2003, 02:48 AM
Originally posted by Ken Rohrer
<blockquote>Actually I taught art but I have taught online computer courses. I am currently teaching online computer courses for the University of Phoenix.<P>I took a few classes at IU-Bloomington to renew my teaching license.</blockquote>
That is great. I took some computer classes at IU-Bloomington. In 1995, and for the next couple of years. I, also, took some computer classes at Ivy Tech, and NIR. Now I love computers.

I never even touched a coumpter before, I started my classes in 1994. Then I found out that my grades would be 20% higher if I did them on a computer. I hit those classes starting spring of 1995.

I was able to tutor some of the computer classes, and math classes there.

Have a wonderful week. Take care. :)

James Goers
10-10-2003, 06:15 AM
I found this artical to be very informative. Not that I would enjoy this type of photography but my niece is interested in both photography and forensics. She's in the 10th grade and honor roll student. I sent her a copy of this artical. It might give her something to strive for Thanks

Angela Virgo -
10-13-2003, 02:25 AM
Originally posted by Donna Reagan
For other Forensic Photographer resources,

Click here:
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22Forensic+photographer%22&ei=UTF-8&fr=slv1&vm=i&n=20&fl=0&x=wrt

Your thoughts on the review of the above article?


:confused: I am impressed with this article. I find forensic shows on TV interesting and the investigating behind it all fascinating. I don't know, however, that I would be very good in this field for long. I respect those that are and God knows we need their expertise. :eek:

Thanks so much for the article, I think I will take things a LOT slower.

Richard Greiner -
10-22-2003, 03:44 PM
I love the article! Forensic Sceince is a very intresting field to get into. I love watching Forensic Sceince on Court TV, and I learn alot from that show and lot of other shows on Court TV. I love to get into that kind of Field but, thats not me. I love the PI work which if you think about it there is alot Forensic Work in the PI field. I love the part about the Mouse and the Gun, it's sad but I couldn't help laughing.

Michael Harris
10-22-2003, 09:37 PM
Richard,

If you enjoy forensic science, you may enjoy reading the novels by Kathy Reich - she is a board-cerified forensic anthropologist.

I have learned so much from her books - the one I am readiing today has taught me about outlaw motorcycle clubs in addition to forensic science.

Richard Greiner -
10-22-2003, 11:52 PM
Thank you for the Info Mr. Harris, I well look her up.

Eric Cohen-
10-23-2003, 03:36 AM
Aloha,

My wife has started to get serious about becoming a PI. We both sent our original application in at the same time, but she has yet to begin the process.

I showed her this article and she was facinated, as I was too.

She now is getting her fingerprints done and filling out the paperwork.

Forensics has always been her passion. I too find it facinating!

It is amazing what opens peoples eyes though!

Aloha

Eric Cohen:) :cool:

Clinton Hendricks
10-23-2003, 10:58 AM
Eric,

Glad to know that you and your wife are now in the hunt. I'm still excited myself and I just finished my paper work to recieve my print docs and have the warrant check done. Hang in there you guys, hope to converse with you down the line.

Clinton,

Eric Cohen-
10-23-2003, 11:35 AM
Originally posted by Clinton Hendricks
Eric,

Glad to know that you and your wife are now in the hunt. I'm still excited myself and I just finished my paper work to recieve my print docs and have the warrant check done. Hang in there you guys, hope to converse with you down the line.

Clinton,

Aloha Clinton,

Patience is the word of the day. I am at Level 3 and should have my manual this week. It has been a methodical process to get to this point. But well worth the time invested.

Best of Luck

Aloha

Eric Cohen:cool:

Richard Greiner -
10-23-2003, 03:36 PM
Good Job Eric I am trying to get to level Two so I can learn more. I just called in to get a Pre-Enrollment application so I can get started to earn my Licensess.

Angela Virgo -
10-23-2003, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by Richard Greiner
Good Job Eric I am trying to get to level Two so I can learn more. I just called in to get a Pre-Enrollment application so I can get started to earn my Licensess.

:o You all sound so well informed. At times I feel I'm getting the hang of this but sometimes I feel like I just need more information. I'll keep reading the forums, but I think now it's time to hit the librarys.:D

Eric Cohen-
10-23-2003, 07:33 PM
Aloha Angela, :)

Don't get frustrated. The process is not a quick one. However nothing worth achieving comes quickly.

Just keep on reading and asking questions.

Best of Luck

Eric

Richard Greiner -
10-23-2003, 08:55 PM
Good things come to those who waits!

Mary Louise Campbell -
11-04-2003, 12:45 PM
My hat goes off to Kelly Root, I would love to be in her position. I do photography as a hobby and would like to incorporate it in my PI career.

I have seen an autopsy performed that was some years ago it was part of my OR training. She said CSI was glorified for the viewers which is true.

The rate of pay wasn't mentioned in the article nor the threads. Does anybody know? What educational background is needed to become a forensic photographer?


Mary

Carl DeWitt
12-03-2003, 09:47 AM
Great article. I am a faithful veiwer of CSI and CSI Miami. I am just fascinated by that kind of work. It's an area I am looking forward to getting into.

Nathaniel Hernandez
01-11-2004, 10:38 AM
Wow!!! It was a great article, very informative. I've always wanted to get into the forensic side of law enforcement, and the photography seems very interesting.

I'm sure the pay must really be worth it as well. I think I'm gonna look more into that field to see if it would be right for me.


Thanks for all the great information... :cool:

Michael A O'Connor
01-30-2004, 12:35 AM
HI all, I thought her story was great , and i enjoyed reading it . I like her outlook in her shots as to show death as a final time. Teenagers do have this feeling as there life will go on and nothing can hurt me . I would enjoy a career like this , and use my photography years in this career.

Patrick Egan
03-04-2004, 09:06 PM
I like this article,this show me differtentside of photography which I can take up.
Pat

Debra Lewis -
03-04-2004, 11:24 PM
what is a logical progression as a next job?
ps
that article was excellent...
thank you

Christina L Stone -
03-22-2004, 10:32 AM
What an excellent and very informative article! Forensics is a wonderful field and it takes a special type of person to enjoy that line of work. I know I would!

Jacqueline Simak
03-22-2004, 01:15 PM
Donna:

Thank you so much for sharing this informative article!

Jackie

Clinton Hendricks
03-22-2004, 01:16 PM
What a way to live your life. Just thinking of the detail is awsome. It must be great to know all the fine points to getting the data needed to solve a problem.

I want to be able to have that kind of knowledge in my work and be able to obtain the results that solve problems.

Thanks

James L Parmenter -
03-30-2004, 11:06 AM
Excellant article, I love photography - had a camera in my hand since i was a kid. I've dealt with death in several ways and never gave any thought to the issues in this article. Like the author said, most people just turn the body over to the Funeral Home and its handled from there. As much as I love photography I highly doubt that i would ever find this type of field appealing to me enough to make it my niche.....sorry..........

Christina L Stone -
03-30-2004, 02:31 PM
Good point, James. It's wonderful that the author can turn that kind of event into an aspiring art form.

Petra Post
05-20-2004, 12:02 AM
Great article... and to think how young Kelly is. She can be proud of her accomplishments, and I bet there is no boredom coming up where she is working at.

Frederick Budde
05-20-2004, 02:45 PM
I agree with Petra. Boredom is the least of her problems!

Fred

Randy Barnes
05-20-2004, 10:38 PM
This is a great post. It will help me a lot since I plan making photography as kind of a specialty. I have always loved photography. While a Reserve Police Officer with one of our local departments I picked up some pointers on taking crime scene photos. Any suggestion on what would be a good choice for lenses. I am currently using a 35mm camera.

Steven Featherstone
05-21-2004, 02:38 PM
I thought is was a very informative article. I learned something new today. :)

Patrice-Maria Love
05-26-2004, 11:56 AM
Hats off to the people who have chosen to specialize in forensics, especially in photography. This is a burnt out field, but someone must perform this job. This
is not my area. That's for sharing this story.

Brandy Gates
05-27-2004, 10:17 AM
The article was extremely interesting. I just love this girl! She's got so much figured out so early, if only everyone could be so focused at her age. Forensics is an awesomely exact science, I personally like criminal profiling.



Brandy

Prem Prasad
06-06-2004, 12:37 AM
Forensic Evidentiary Photography
Thank you all for your opinion. Forensic is a very interesting arena of investigation. I watch TV and see how dead bodies look like. It is a great article which every investigator should take this course and get certified. I love to.

Martin Wade -
08-12-2004, 11:59 AM
For other Forensic Photographer resources,

Click here:
http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=%22Forensic+photographer%22&ei=UTF-8&fr=slv1&vm=i&n=20&fl=0&x=wrt

Your thoughts on the review of the above article?

The article on Ms. Root is very interesting; I am forever moved by the evolution of the individual. Ms. Root has apparently followed her heart and subsequently discovered a great deal about herself, people generally, life and death. I salute Ms. Root and encourage her to continue marching to her own drumbeat.

The article on Ms. Root has rekindled a spark in my photography interest. Thanks for this post.

Peace & blessing

Martin Wade

Frederick Budde
08-16-2004, 09:26 AM
Forensic Evidentiary Photography
Thank you all for your opinion. Forensic is a very interesting arena of investigation. I watch TV and see how dead bodies look like. It is a great article which every investigator should take this course and get certified. I love to.

Prem;
The bodies on TV do not look like the real thing. I hope you never have to see a corpse in "real life". No matter how many years you deal with death, each viewing takes a little bit out of you. Accident victims and drownings are the worst, only following children and young people in horror.

Linda J Rowe
08-16-2004, 04:44 PM
I myself have seen corpses for I have worked as a nursing assistant and actually had to clean up the dead and prepare for them to be picked up. I have also sat with dying people and thier families per their request. It definitly an experience that one can't foreget. It is scary, yet satisfying and not to mention gives you a special feeling inside that you were there for someone and that it made them happy for the last minutes of thier life. It is an experience I will always cherish.

Steve McAtee
08-16-2004, 06:56 PM
EXCELLENT article! Ms. Root is one of a kind!!

With some background in Law Enforcement and as a First Responder I was privy to alot of accident/crime scenes therfore taking my share of photo's. As sad as the scene may have been you have to have a special character about yourself that can look at it and evaluate without hesitation on what shots to get. I have seen many of bad scenes that would make you want to toss your cookies but you have to look into the inner you and realize that what you do at that point can be very valuable to someone at a later date and make sure your composure is kept through the whole process.

I remember waking up on a few occassions and seeing some of the scenes very detailed and sweating like I had ran a marathon. This portion of the P.I field or even LE can be very trying on one's mind and soul. I am looking at the possibility of taking some sort of Forensic's Certificate here in Kansas but have not researched into it fully as of yet.

To those who decide this is for them, good luck and make the best out of it. What PICs you take may make or break a case wide open. Be sure to document everything.

Sorry, I had to spend my last 2 cents...HeHe!

Elizabeth Fulcher
08-27-2004, 09:34 AM
This story really sparked my interest in many ways. I am a digital photographer and I would love to use my skills. I saw that someone mentioned Computer Forensics and I was wondering if someone could give me insight as to what it involves.

Frederick Budde
08-27-2004, 01:36 PM
This story really sparked my interest in many ways. I am a digital photographer and I would love to use my skills. I saw that someone mentioned Computer Forensics and I was wondering if someone could give me insight as to what it involves.

As used in an investigative sense, it usually means retrieving "cookies" and temp internet files that the subject thought were deleted. Remember, when you delete a file, it doesn't really go away, it is only fragmented so it can't be readily retrieved by the computer system. Forensics is able to get a pretty complete history of usage of the computer; sites visited, files downloaded, e-mails sent or read, etc. This is a very basic explanation, and I know it, so please guys, don't give me a hard time :)

Cheryl Gipfel -
08-27-2004, 02:06 PM
EXCELLENT article! Ms. Root is one of a kind!!


I remember waking up on a few occassions and seeing some of the scenes very detailed and sweating like I had ran a marathon.

Sorry, I had to spend my last 2 cents...HeHe!

Steve,

Reading this thread brought back so many memories of when I was a kid. My dad worked as a Fingerprint Technian, and would have pictures of people who got burned to death, people who died in their home and their dog starting eating the flesh off of their face and worst of all is I remember a picture of a man's head looking like it was popping out of the ground - eyes open and a scared look on his face. I thought so what -- until I found - IT was just his head!!

Now, why did my parents let me see these horrible pictures when I was a kid? Didn't you ever go sneaking in your parents bedroom when they were gone? :D

Maybe that experience was the beginning of dreaming to be a PI :confused:

John Arnwine -
08-27-2004, 06:18 PM
Very good article,this seems like a very interesting career choice.I have always been interested in the field of forensics,and reading this has motivated me to want to learn as much as I can,It will definately be read again.

April Rank
09-12-2004, 06:34 PM
Hey, someone needs to take those photos and to do it well. I appreciate all who do it.

Better you than me!

Great article. Thanks,

Dawn M Council
09-13-2004, 04:51 PM
The article was superb. That would be an interesting line of work but you would really have to have a stomach for it. I would like to do criminal investigations and crime scene analysis but I really don't know if I can keep my food down.

Cheryl Gipfel -
09-13-2004, 10:24 PM
Very good article,this seems like a very interesting career choice.I have always been interested in the field of forensics,and reading this has motivated me to want to learn as much as I can,It will definately be read again.


John,

I was trying to find the forum where I read this - unfortunately I need to investigate a little more! :p

Barnes & Noble offer free classes on line.
www.bn.com - I am currently enrolled in the Forensics with Court TV. They do ask that you purchase the manual for the class. But, you can also get this books at the local library.

I believe the next class begins in October. Check it out!

Michael Harris
09-13-2004, 10:28 PM
Cheryl,

I took the course earlier this year. The course is good and the book is an excellent resource (and inexpensive).

Cheryl Gipfel -
09-13-2004, 10:37 PM
Cheryl,

I took the course earlier this year. The course is good and the book is an excellent resource (and inexpensive).

John,

I agree, very informative.

The reason I go to the library instead of purchasing books is, I love to read. I only like hardcover and after a while you begin to run out of room. I am trying to simplify, but I doubt if I will succeed because I have already begun creating my personal PI manual with all the items I print! :rolleyes:

Marcus Harris
09-15-2004, 11:49 AM
[B]Thank you Donna for such an awesome story!! I have been in the photgraphy field for quite sometime now and I find it awesome to know that there are so many fields that I can get into to go along with all my photography experience.I truly enjoyed to whole story it was a captivating, and informative story to read.:)

Cheryl Gipfel -
09-15-2004, 04:07 PM
Cheryl,

I took the course earlier this year. The course is good and the book is an excellent resource (and inexpensive).

Micheal,

I replied typing John :o I meant to type Michael.

I lost my edit button, but I wanted you know!

Cheryl

P.S. maybe that is not ALL I have lost! :D

Frederick Budde
09-16-2004, 06:56 AM
Micheal,

I replied typing John :o I meant to type Michael.

I lost my edit button, but I wanted you know!

Cheryl

P.S. maybe that is not ALL I have lost! :D
I'm pleased to report your sense of humor is still intact! Boy, do I miss that edit button, as well!

Flora Porter
09-16-2004, 10:42 AM
John,

I agree, very informative.

The reason I go to the library instead of purchasing books is, I love to read. I only like hardcover and after a while you begin to run out of room. I am trying to simplify, but I doubt if I will succeed because I have already begun creating my personal PI manual with all the items I print! :rolleyes:
Hi Cheryl,
I am a faithful reader and will be going to the law library
for much of my research. If i cant find what im lQQking for i will keep lQQking and searching for related information. Any and all suggestion are welcome.

P.I.Trainee

Jeanette J Santana -
09-16-2004, 10:58 AM
This article is highly motivating. It lets me know that my life can take on another direction. This article also brings me back to when I went to a morgue in NYC. It was part of our academy EMT training for FDNY. The experience was awesome. My entire class left the room because they could not take it anymore. My instructor, the pathologist and I were the only ones left. We went through a few cases and they were all different. It prepared me to understand what I would see out in the streets of NY as an EMT and a respect for life.

Cheryl Gipfel -
09-16-2004, 04:08 PM
Fritz,

I haven't been 'thoroughly' on in a couple of days, what happened to it?

Wouldn't you know, I just 'get' it and then it goes away ~~~~

You are the one with the dry sense of humor -- those are the best!!

Cheryl :rolleyes:

Frederick Budde
09-17-2004, 07:05 AM
Fritz,

I haven't been 'thoroughly' on in a couple of days, what happened to it?

Wouldn't you know, I just 'get' it and then it goes away ~~~~

You are the one with the dry sense of humor -- those are the best!!

Cheryl :rolleyes:
The nurses in my office tell me I'm low on dopamine, and so show signs of ADD :)

Cheryl Gipfel -
09-19-2004, 07:53 AM
Fritz,

I bet that wasn't the first time someone said you were low on dopamine. :p

Cheryl

Seriously, I take meds for that!

Frederick Budde
09-20-2004, 07:10 AM
Fritz,

I bet that wasn't the first time someone said you were low on dopamine. :p

Cheryl

Seriously, I take meds for that!
Probably not, but I can't remember :)

Victoria S Kinney
10-29-2004, 04:38 PM
I enjoyed this article, so much information to absorb. This field has always fascinated me, if I had to do a career choice over and was about 25 years younger I would like to get into this field, thanks for the information on the book. I watch all the forensic shows that is on and now they have a new one coming out forensic acadamey I believe.

William J Watkins
11-03-2004, 08:07 PM
I recieved this articale in an e-mail back around July 04, then I found the IPIU web site and here I am waiting on my manual. Very impressive articale.

Anna M Martino
11-04-2004, 03:35 PM
My thanks go out to Kelly for sharing her career and how she got started, and what Forensic/Evidentiary photography is all about. I am interested in pursuing a career track in this. I have a friend who just completed her masters as in Nursing Forensics, and I hope one day to work along side her, using her medical expertise with my PI knowledge.

Kelly, thanks again....


Anna Martino

Patti Schubert -
11-09-2004, 01:33 PM
:)

Hats off to you people who can do this kind of work. This isn't something that I couldn't do, but I'm glad there is something for everybody. Who said variety isn't good. :D

Patti

Frederick Budde
11-10-2004, 08:05 AM
:)

Hats off to you people who can do this kind of work. This isn't something that I couldn't do, but I'm glad there is something for everybody. Who said variety isn't good. :D

Patti
Patti;
The double negative means you could do it? :p

Amalia Martinelli
11-10-2004, 01:51 PM
This definetely sounds like a field I could get into. I don't really have much photography experience, besides taking pictures for fun. Does anybody have any suggestions or advice that could help me get into this field?
Thank you!

Patti Schubert -
11-11-2004, 04:59 PM
Patti;
The double negative means you could do it? :p


Fredercik,

Yes, I can do this. I could have expressed it better, sorry.

Patti :)

Vincent Matozzo
11-14-2004, 10:21 PM
Excellent story ..this is my field of concentration and i would love to work in this field .. Anyone with info and or contacts on federal careers in investigations please let me know .. again excellent article, keep up the good work

Frederick Budde
11-15-2004, 07:16 AM
Excellent story ..this is my field of concentration and i would love to work in this field .. Anyone with info and or contacts on federal careers in investigations please let me know .. again excellent article, keep up the good work
Vincent;
Go to USAJOBS and check series 1801. Good luck!

Kristie L McKinley
11-15-2004, 09:17 AM
http://www.metrotimes.com/sb/77428/CS_KellyHome.jpg

Remains of the day:
[I]Artist-turned-evidentiary photographer plies her trade at the county morgue.
[/url]

That was a wonderful article. It reminded me of when I was taking a Physical Anthropolgy class for my Anthropolgy minor. During one of the labs, the city medical examiner brought slides to class.... :eek:
I think it is the culture in which we live that has affected how we feel about death. If our society was one of mummification (ie. Egypt, South America, etc.), Ms. Root, and many others in her profession, would be accepted with an air of respect rather than condemnation.
BTW, there was a really great article in DISCOVER magazine on a man who requested to be mummified.

Long ago I had given amiss to the idea of going into Forensic Investigation. But now, I think I am going to invest in camera equipment.

Thanks and have a great day.
Kristie

Kristie L McKinley
11-15-2004, 09:25 AM
Excellent story ..this is my field of concentration and i would love to work in this field .. Anyone with info and or contacts on federal careers in investigations please let me know .. again excellent article, keep up the good work

Hello, Vincent.
You can also get a lot of good information by talking to the medical examiner in you area, or the school of Anthropology or Medicine at the university near you. If nothing else, they could be great references for when you do apply for a federal job.
Kristie

Flora Porter
12-31-2004, 12:02 AM
I enjoyed this article, so much information to absorb. This field has always fascinated me, if I had to do a career choice over and was about 25 years younger I would like to get into this field, thanks for the information on the book. I watch all the forensic shows that is on and now they have a new one coming out forensic acadamey I believe.
I enjoyed reading this post. It has so much information to absorb.

I am now enrolled at AAFS as an Academy Assistant Student.

AMERICAN ACADEMY OF FORENSIC SCIENCES.


Thank You
IPIU

Cheryl Bates
12-31-2004, 07:55 AM
Donna,

I love the article, I am taking three different classes in forensics and am definitely thinking of pursuing this option as a career. This article has given me insight as to what to expect. Thank you for posting this article.

Cheryl

Patrice-Maria Love
01-01-2005, 07:39 AM
Michael, I can relate with your nurse friend. I have been a nurse for 20 years, and it is a burn out field. This is why I am changing careers. Now I can imagine that working in forensic photography for years and years and in a funeral home can affect people's mind! Ms. Root is a very strong individual and it is evident that this is her call to work in this area! It will be interesting to follow her 20 years from now and get an update on her career or did she change careers!
Patrice-Maria

Thomas Dilworth
01-02-2005, 11:10 AM
Hello, I am interested in doing photography and am trying to get info on it. Is there a place to see about jobs or just general info? Thanks

Tom Dilworth

Michael Harris
01-02-2005, 11:17 AM
... I am now enrolled at AAFS as an Academy Assistant Student.
AMERICAN ACADEMY OF FORENSIC SCIENCES.

Flora,

Thank you for the information. I will check out the AAFS.

Frederick Budde
01-03-2005, 08:58 AM
I enjoyed reading this post. It has so much information to absorb.

I am now enrolled at AAFS as an Academy Assistant Student.

AMERICAN ACADEMY OF FORENSIC SCIENCES.


Thank You
IPIU
Congrats, Flora! Keep us informed of your progress, and good luck!

B Ann Craig
01-03-2005, 05:11 PM
I am now enrolled at AAFS as an Academy Assistant Student.

AMERICAN ACADEMY OF FORENSIC SCIENCES.


Thank You
IPIU
Flora, this is great news. Good luck with your new roll. ;)

Have a wonderful week. Take care. :)

Flora Porter
01-27-2005, 07:40 AM
The article was superb. That would be an interesting line of work but you would really have to have a stomach for it. I would like to do criminal investigations and crime scene analysis but I really don't know if I can keep my food down.
Good morning Dawn,

I agree with you on this subject.

I would like to do criminal investigation as well learn some crime scene analysis. We'll see what needs to be retrieved :confused:

PI FPorter

Robert G Allen
02-17-2005, 05:33 PM
Very interesting area. As a part-time professional photographer, this is one area of private investigation I would like to become involved with.

Bob Allen

Michael Harris
02-18-2005, 06:10 PM
Robert,

I looked at this as a viable approach, but thought seriously about some of the less desirable aspects - such as touching dead bodies.

I thought about forensic evidentiary photography and expanded to accident photography. Maybe expanded is the wrong word; it may be focused.

I like that much better - only mangled steel and broken glass.

Jan Conklin
02-18-2005, 06:29 PM
I'm so glad you're talking about photography, because I've been trying to set realistic goals for cameras I may need to purchase for use as a PI - both for surveillance and stills. And what about binoculars?

Any opinions out there on which (preferably affordable) brands/models do the job well without being a pain-in-the-head to operate?

Any and all opinions will be treated with reverence. Thanks!

/jan

Flora Porter
02-25-2005, 12:58 PM
Hi Michael,
I agree with you about not going along with less desirable aspects such as touching dead bodies. You would really have to have the stomach for this.

Mike? what would you recommend for binocular/camera best vision for surveilances?
Can this image be save for court?

PI FP

Michael Harris
02-25-2005, 02:35 PM
Flora,

I will have to look into the answer for you.

I am biased becaue of my job. I looked at a pair of infrared binoculars last week for $25,000 - not a typo. I also looked at a thermal rifle sight for $29,000 - not a typo either. The sales manager used the thermal sight at a family gathering not too long ago - they were playing flashlight tag at night and he cheated by using a high-end thermal sight. The sight can distinguish between items with a 2 deg F difference! :D

Ms Minta Thomson
02-26-2005, 03:40 AM
Flora,

I will have to look into the answer for you.

I am biased becaue of my job. I looked at a pair of infrared binoculars last week for $25,000 - not a typo. I also looked at a thermal rifle sight for $29,000 - not a typo either. The sales manager used the thermal sight at a family gathering not too long ago - they were playing flashlight tag at night and he cheated by using a high-end thermal sight. The sight can distinguish between items with a 2 deg F difference! :D

Those sound very :eek: impressive...however.... :) for those of us who are poor PhD candidates, wishing to purchase equipment (upgrades later :) ) ...what would you recommend??

awaiting advice......... :D

Minta
PhD Candidate
Forensics/Criminal Psych
IT Re-engineering Lead

Flora Porter
02-28-2005, 05:22 PM
Flora,

I will have to look into the answer for you.

I am biased becaue of my job. I looked at a pair of infrared binoculars last week for $25,000 - not a typo. I also looked at a thermal rifle sight for $29,000 - not a typo either. The sales manager used the thermal sight at a family gathering not too long ago - they were playing flashlight tag at night and he cheated by using a high-end thermal sight. The sight can distinguish between items with a 2 deg F difference! :D
Michael,
Ouch!!Infrared Binoculars

No fare.

Michael Harris
02-28-2005, 05:28 PM
To All:

For those of you who might want to look at some great toys, try Elcan Optical Technolgies - www.elcan.com.

Frederick Budde
03-02-2005, 08:38 AM
Flora,

I will have to look into the answer for you.

I am biased becaue of my job. I looked at a pair of infrared binoculars last week for $25,000 - not a typo. I also looked at a thermal rifle sight for $29,000 - not a typo either. The sales manager used the thermal sight at a family gathering not too long ago - they were playing flashlight tag at night and he cheated by using a high-end thermal sight. The sight can distinguish between items with a 2 deg F difference! :D

Who do you think you are, a government employee? :p

Michael Harris
03-02-2005, 05:34 PM
Fred,

I still work for a private firm - a small one of just over 12,000 employees. I do work in a government office buying such toys.

Stacey Lawalin
03-02-2005, 05:57 PM
This was a very interesting article! I never really thought of someone actually doing that as their career. Thanks for new insight of this area of forensics.

Ms Minta Thomson
03-02-2005, 06:22 PM
To All:

For those of you who might want to look at some great toys, try Elcan Optical Technolgies - www.elcan.com.

Great link referral........... I will be checking it out this eve :)

Minta :D

Brian Kelly -
03-03-2005, 05:15 AM
Thank you for that great write up it was very motivating. For those of you that are looking to get your own cameras for this type of work it seems that the Sony Mavica (I am not sure what model) is the one to get. Since it copies the image to a cd it makes it easy to turn in for evidence and this camera has an option that when installed will turn the photos burned onto the disk as “credible evidence”. The problem that has come up using digital format instead of film is the ability to manipulate the shots easer but with that optional chip installed (for lack of the term they use) it puts on a water mark or branding onto each photo so if a photo was to be fudged with some what it will show and no longer be used as evidence. Now depending how far into this you go you may not need this type of camera. When I saw that survey on the fifty some thing choices of investigation they all had some thing to offer me but only three stood out to me and this was the main one. I must admit that I will go for the evidence side of the equation over the morgue stuff. Some can do it, some can not and others would rather not try. Brian

Frederick Budde
03-03-2005, 09:41 AM
Fred,

I still work for a private firm - a small one of just over 12,000 employees. I do work in a government office buying such toys.

Michael;
Is there anything you don't have your hands into? Judging from you past posts, you're a regular rennaisance man! :)

Frederick Budde
03-03-2005, 09:44 AM
Thank you for that great write up it was very motivating. For those of you that are looking to get your own cameras for this type of work it seems that the Sony Mavica (I am not sure what model) is the one to get. Since it copies the image to a cd it makes it easy to turn in for evidence and this camera has an option that when installed will turn the photos burned onto the disk as “credible evidence”. The problem that has come up using digital format instead of film is the ability to manipulate the shots easer but with that optional chip installed (for lack of the term they use) it puts on a water mark or branding onto each photo so if a photo was to be fudged with some what it will show and no longer be used as evidence. Now depending how far into this you go you may not need this type of camera. When I saw that survey on the fifty some thing choices of investigation they all had some thing to offer me but only three stood out to me and this was the main one. I must admit that I will go for the evidence side of the equation over the morgue stuff. Some can do it, some can not and others would rather not try. Brian
Brian;
I was always a fan of the Mavica, when it took 3 1/2" disks. Unfortunately, the pixle count wasn't that great at the time, but everyone had (in those days :cool: ) a floppy drive, and it was universally accepted.

Sarah Williams
03-03-2005, 10:32 AM
I found the article very interesting. I've always been fascinated by forensics, but I know that I couldn't handle it. Not that I have a weak stomach, I just think too much. I don't know how I could look at a body and not think about that person and the people that loved them or if they were unloved. I think about a person's joy and sadness and love and pain, the flurry of activity and emotion in our lives that can so suddenly be brought to a halt.

I've enjoyed walking through graveyards since I was 9-10 thinking about the same things, but I imagine it is a bit different to see someone's body rather than just a headstone.

Jerome O Isaac
03-07-2005, 02:14 PM
Greetings Everyone, this is quite an interesting field of forensics, great article on Kelly Root.


I also have to agree with this qoute by Colleen
Donna,

Not everyone can do it. You either love what you do or you don't do it.

Have a great day.

Angie Luti
03-11-2005, 11:27 AM
I'm so glad someone decided to use somebody like Ms.Root as an example! shes awesome and the descritption's a little gory but that is a good thing it shows you the reality of the business and is very in-depth and informative for anybody who thinks this is a glam slam glorified career/job it's definitely not for the weak of heart...it's a good success story and she is definitely real, now that's what i'm talking about.....two thumbs up it doesn't get any more graphic and detailed than this outside the examiner's office// :D

angie

Robert G Allen
03-11-2005, 01:04 PM
I don't think moving bodies around would bother me much, if at all. Back in my younger days, I organized an eye bank. The job of the eye bank was to supply eye tissue from donors to people who needed cornea transplants. My job (one of them) was to meet the doctor on call at the funeral home and assist in removing the eyes from a donor. A couple of times, the doctors showed me how it was done and then let me do it. I had absolutely no problem with that, so I think taking pictures of dead bodies would be easy. Plus, being a professional photographer, I should definitely go for this area. :)

Angie Luti
03-11-2005, 01:20 PM
I agree with you...iI myself have never been uncomfortable with death and a friend of my cousins used to have a herz and had a job where hed get calls in the middle of the night to pick up bodies....removing eyes from donors? well thats interesting if i were you having your photography expertise and all that would definitely look into it....my friend also owns austin paranormal and I've been dragged to a few nursing homes and investigations in several abandoned places where there were pictures and medical records lying around that shouldnt have been ...you do come across certain things here and there and im always watching forensic detectives and all those programs,,,,also it helps having a couple of dr.'s in my family and my aunt used to drag me to the e.r where i'd see people coming in very bloody with just the knife handle sticking out of their chest...id sit down and watch all this and saw them giving and taking stitches...weak of stomach/?not me,either....if you can control and learn how to be objective which i can imagine takes skill and practice and learn to separate yourself from the subject and look at it as a subject,and not get PERSONAL with it, among other things ive a feeling this may be something hard to master but if you could imagine yourself doing something llike that for a living and it wouldnt bother you then go for it..death is a part of life and where there's a will there's a way...
angie

Patricia Clyne
03-17-2005, 09:11 PM
I enjoyed reading this post. It has so much information to absorb.

I am now enrolled at AAFS as an Academy Assistant Student.

AMERICAN ACADEMY OF FORENSIC SCIENCES.


Thank You
IPIU
Flora,

Thank you for the AAFS site information. I just looked at it and it has a lot of very good information for getting into Forensics. I'm going to need to look at the classes closer since I have several from my Nursing degree. I'll need to see how many credits/forensic classes I would need to take to get the degree. So I appreciate seeing the breakdown.
Sincerely,
Patti :)

Margaret Okin
03-18-2005, 04:55 PM
I really learned and enjoyed reading the article. This is a very interesting career choice, something I would be interested in doing down the road. I would have to get used to seeing death and not sure if im ready to do that on a on going basis.

Mary Rose
06-02-2005, 02:59 PM
What a great article. I assisted on on autopsy many years ago as a medical assistant and thought it was one of the most interesting things I have ever done. You realize that the body is a very intricate system and can tell you many things. I too am interested in photography but had never thought about this field until I read the article. Kudos to Kelly. Too bad those that criticized and derailed her don't understand that this is a very important part of the forensic field and can make the difference in solving crimes and/or answering questions for loved ones.

Jeanne Jasiewicz -
06-02-2005, 03:46 PM
Amazing where interest leads us.

Excellent example of a young woman's determination and self actualization.

Great story.

Jeanne Jasiewicz

Carla Sherbinow--
09-01-2005, 12:15 AM
Very interesting article. I say good for her, for finding something she is interested in and can make a career out of it. And as far as her critics go, I say 'well someone has to do it'. And I am sure there are family members who are appreciating the care she takes in her photos so they don't have to view the body directly. The field of Forensic Photography is very interesting to me.
I also appreciate the information given in the posts by Chery Gipfel about the Barnes and Noble online classes. It is one place I would have never looked for this type of information and will have to check into it.
Thanks to everyone who posted on this thread, it has helped a great deal!

J Ginsberg -
09-18-2005, 05:09 PM
This article was very interesting to read. Thanks for posting this.

Johnny

Thomas Dilworth
09-18-2005, 05:47 PM
Hello, I am very interested in getting into forensic photography but I am not sure were to begin. Any help would be appreciated. I am a professional photographer and am now a PI. Thanks.

Tom Dilworth

Matthew Wayne Simmons
09-19-2005, 05:11 PM
The article was excellent! It gave me some insight into what I may deal with when I finally get to finally start my dream career as a Profiler.

Kathy Garcia
03-19-2006, 03:16 PM
I truly thought this was a great article this field of work seems extremely interesting. I like the idea of forensics,but i'm very interested in looking into Crime Scene Technician. They do seem very similar.

Do you know what schooling this entails? I don't know if it requires a Bachelors Degree or not.

Jerome O Isaac
03-24-2006, 11:46 AM
Greetings Kathy, nice to see you here. :)


I truly thought this was a great article this field of work seems extremely interesting.

I have to agree with you, it was this article that led me to reading basic Forensic Pathology, so, I decided to leave you some basic Information on Crime Scene Technician for your state.

PS: It's nice if you've got your "Bachelors in Criminal Justice" but, if you don't have it, then, you have a minimum of four choices to get started.

Small Note: after you've Clicked on the link, goto the bottom of that page and Click on the word "Homepage" then Click on this --> How to become a Crime Scene Investigator (faq file)

http://www.feinc.net/csunits.htm



Hope this info help guide your decision.

Have a great day.

Kathy Garcia
03-24-2006, 01:50 PM
Hi Jerome,

Just wanted to thank you for the reply! I know this website link will help me enormously!!

Lot's of helpful information.

Kathy

Maria Lu
03-24-2006, 03:57 PM
Good afternoon everyone!

Hi, just go here. Yours truly new IPIU member. I have read too many successful story about forensic. But this one, really got me surprised to see a young pretty Lady in this carreer and doing great job. It nice to be here in forum site. Everyone had good and informative notes. As a trainnee, needless to say that I catch up some hints. Well, I am in the area of psychological matters, and I can see how forensic photos can be a helpful path in solving the problem or knowing the gray areas of the death and living people. I'd like to read more.

Goodluck everybody!

Tammy Bramlett -
03-24-2006, 04:36 PM
That article blew me away. I love photography and I knew I could use that skill on surveillance but I never thought I could use it doing forensic photography. I thought the police were the only one's taking pics at crime scenes. Who knew. I am learning so much by reading the forums. It's exciting to know that there are so many ways to make money being a PI.

Jerome O Isaac
03-24-2006, 06:39 PM
Greetings Kathy, you're very welcome.

My personal opinion: would be to contact IPIU and let them know that you're considering working as a Crime Scene Technician and wait for an answer form them, because they will use their best resource to get you on your way.

Have a great day and I'll see you in the forums soon.

Maria Lu
03-25-2006, 05:42 AM
Remember!

No matter what you do, fighting spirit and self efficacy don't exist unless you activate a sole mindful - alertness and following your heart.

"Be proactive! Always ask God with adequate action."

Luz

Jerome O Isaac
03-25-2006, 11:50 AM
Greetings Luzviminda, nice to meet you. :)



Below is a link to the Forums Introduction Lounge, when you Click on that link below, the screen that appears, will be the right place for you to introduce yourself, just type in something describing yourself; and (or) your goals, when you're done Typing, Click on the words Submit new Thread located at the bottom of that screen, other members will come by and give you directions to follow and get you started.



http://www.ipiu.org/forums/newthread.php? newthread&f=45


Have a great day.

William Deas
04-05-2006, 07:31 PM
what kind of money are we talking about for this kind of job.

Mila E Loya
05-11-2006, 09:52 AM
i found this article facinating. I'm not real sure why. I have an interest in forencis always have, but for some reason this just facinated me and i want to know more.

Joy Gambrell -
11-03-2006, 01:42 PM
Thanks for the story. I found it to be very interesting. I have been doing photography for 10+years and now I think that forensics might be something I might want to pursue. My experience is not just taking photos I am an expert darkroom printer too. So if anybody has any leads, let me know. Thanks again.

Thomas Hickey -
11-07-2006, 11:23 AM
Thought this article was very will done. As a member of the MOIA in Ms. Root's home state and someone who completed their evidence training at a rival criminal justice center, I have a deep admiration for someone so young doing that type of work.

Thomas Hickey