TV Reallity Shows Hiring Private Investigators

[Sara Livingston]

Here's one true story that shows this producer keeping a private investigator busy:

Quiet guy cranks out some outrageous reality:

Story Link:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/usatoday/20030616/en_usatoday/5244969


LOS ANGELES -- Bruce Nash runs a factory that would make Detroit proud. But instead of shiny cars, glossy reality TV shows come rolling off his smoothly efficient assembly line.

The 2003 Nash models -- the new TV shows, not the old cars -- run wall to wall in the prime-time showroom tonight: Outrageous Celebrity Look-Alike Behavior: Caught on Tape (Fox, 8 ET/PT), For Love or Money (NBC, 9 ET/PT) and the season premiere of Meet My Folks (10 ET/PT).

By July, Nash will have six summer series on broadcast or cable, and his company has a prodigious 118 hours in production. A color-coordinated office board is a traffic jam of shooting schedules for 11 shows, including a secret Project X for Fox.

''It's amazing how much volume he can pop out of that machine,'' says Fox reality chief Mike Darnell, a frequent Nash client.

In a hot genre with a slightly outlaw feel, the soft-spoken, married father of two grown daughters seems more businessman than buccaneer. While other producers boast about pushing the envelope, he talks about toning down the salacious elements of Meet My Folks and says he would never produce a show like Are You Hot?

He's more animated showing off his baseball memorabilia -- his office could qualify as a Cooperstown annex -- than he is about shows. But he calls Folks ''my baby'' and dreams of an Emmy nomination.

Well known and respected in the reality fraternity, the Brooklyn-born Nash, 55, has produced plenty of ratings grabbers but doesn't have the breakout hit that confers household name status, as Mark Burnett did with Survivor. The former criminologist says it's OK if he doesn't achieve that in reality, which, despite its success, remains TV's ''******* child.'' The big hit could come on the next step in a well-considered progression: making scripted dramas and comedies and feature films.

Nash's driving force seems simple. He has a huge supply of ideas -- some original but many derivative, as with much of the genre -- and he says they belong on TV.

''When I have an idea, I want to sell it,'' says Nash, who keeps hundreds in a book and a top-five ''hot sheet'' in his pocket, fodder for quick e-mail to networks.

A visit last week to Nash Entertainment's Hollywood offices offered evidence of his success. In just a few hours Thursday, Nash screens an episode of For Love or Money, edits scenes from Folks, approves a set design for a new version of Dance Fever and discusses a logo for Who Wants to Marry My Dad? While doing that, he talks to NBC about background checks after the revelation that the For Love or Money bachelor drunkenly groped a female Navy colleague in 1999. NBC's Jeff Gaspin says the matter hasn't hurt Nash's standing.

Nash also sits in on the first meeting for a WB series, Who Wants to Be a Superhero? The central issue? Only deciding the whole structure of the contest, which will let contestants create their own superheroes.

If the title seems to be wagging the show, it's not new for Nash, whose skill at selling ideas has earned him his own superhero sobriquet, Pitch Man. He often sells shows on titles alone, from Around the World in 80 Dates to When Good Pets Go Bad. He told his staff to develop the latter show from only the title, but later found out they hadn't done anything: ''They said, 'We thought you were joking.' ''

Cranking out concepts was Nash's method during a writing career that prepared him for TV. Some books, such as The Baseball Hall of Shame, started as titles in Nash's head, before being fleshed out in print. He wrote 80 -- including 60 with Allan Zullo.

Nash landed his first TV special in 1991. He cranked out clip shows with titles such as World's Deadliest Volcanoes and World's Scariest Police Shootouts before delighting viewers and angering magicians with a special revealing the latter's secrets and incurring NASA (news - web sites)'s wrath with Conspiracy Theory: Did We Land on the Moon?

These days, he concentrates on the most popular reality fare: slick, well-produced romance and talent competitions.

On Thursday, Nash starts with a screening of For Love or Money, which he's producing with 3 Ball Productions. He generally delegates work to his staff of about 30, critiquing shows as they near completion.

Next, he reviews scenes from the randy dating competition Meet My Folks and its more romantic spinoff, Who Wants to Marry My Dad? (NBC, July 14). In one episode, a plane with a banner reveals embarrassing information about contestants' pasts. They show surprise, but it's not enough.

''It needs a little oomph, a little drama,'' Nash tells executive producer Scott Satin, whose wicked grin contrasts sharply with Nash's reserve. ''You have to play with it, push it. You need to manipulate.''

But manipulate doesn't mean fabricate, Nash says. Contestants won't be more horrified by the revelations, but slower tape speed and ominous music can make it seem as if they are.

Before heading off to the superhero discussion, Nash gets a call from NBC. After the revelation regarding For Love or Money's Rob Campos, the alert for contestant background checks seems to have been raised to level orange. ''We're saying (to contestants), 'If there's anything here, tell us right now,' '' he says to the caller.

Nash, who employs a private investigator, won't talk directly about Campos, other than to say he feels sorry for the 33-year-old lawyer. He says he is miffed at TheSmokingGun.com and others who dig into contestants' pasts and wonders whether those people could stand up to a background check.

But this cautionary lesson won't slow the hordes seeking stardom on reality TV. For Better or For Worse, a TLC show produced by Nash's daughter Robyn, offers couples a $5,000 wedding if they let others decide details of the nuptials.

''We've got 3,000 applications, and we only need 10 couples. This should be easy,'' production chief Andrew Jebb says.

Such interest doesn't surprise Nash. ''People want to be on TV. When you go to a ballgame, everybody wants to get their mug on the screen.''

(A few letters to TV producers may get you a case!)

[Kathleen Padgett]

I wonder how long the reality show "fad" will last.

[May K. Toney]

Thanks for the story. This guy sounds rather...different.

[Carolynne Giffoni -]

I find the reality shows quite boring. The concept started out okay but they are beating the horse to death.

Carolynne

[Kathleen Padgett]

Good point Carolyne, on any given day, almost all major channels are showing a new reality show. Some are tasteless.

[Mr Jose Bonavich Jr]

Hi everyone,

The article is certainly an interesting job opportunity, at least while the "reality shows" last. I will admit that I watched the very first Survivor a few times but didn't like the "dog eat dog" attitude that seemed to be encouraged amounst the constestants, so I stay away from "reality t.v.". Though you don't have to watch the shows to do the background checks :D

[Kathleen Padgett]

Originally posted by Leisl D Olson


Though you don't have to watch the shows to do the background checks :D

True, fortunately we don't have to watch or even care for these shows, it's nice to have choices. I definitely cheer for the added job opportunities in this field, a lot of people are located by the networks for these shows and they all need background checks, a definite plus for the PI field.

[Byron Burke II]

Even though I have never watched any of these un-"reality" shows I like the idea that they are helping employ P.I.s

[Chad Rapier -]

My wife watches almost all the reality TV shows, while I sit here surfing the IPIU forums in the evening. As I see/hear this "reality" on TV, I feel that my mundane life is unreal. Isn't it amazing how unreal reality TV really is?

[Tony E. Whitaker]

I some reallity shows are cool some are boring but at least a PI got to use his or her skills and done a good job at it to. The client got what they were looking for in the background check.

[Rod Elliott]

I don't know how long some of these shows will last or even the concept. I do know they bore me and people will do anything for a few bucks. It's their one time to be a star, I guess. Well one minute after it's aired 99 percent of them are not even a spec on a radar screen. It's just amazing what people will do or who they will sell out in the process.

Thanks for the story though it was interesting. As mentioned, at least it employs another PI. That's always good news.

Rod Elliott

[Michael Harris]

Reality shows - No

Background checks - Yes

I am glad that my TV has never seen a reality show. :cool:

[Diane Jarosz]

"Reality Shows".................. what's that?!;)

I like the fact PI's are being employeed by the shows.
Well that is the only thing about Reality Shows I do appreciate.

DJ

[Jeff Colon]

I like some reality shows such as the game show types. Like "Meet My Folks", "American Idol", and "Fear Factor". All that other stuff is just dumb in my opinion. :rolleyes:

[Donna Scariti]

Jeff,

I agree with you on the American Idol show!

I saw that they are planning on 8 (I think) new reality shows for the fall, so bad viewing for those of us who don't care for reality shows, but thumbs up for the PI business! :D

[Dean Forbes]

Cool.

[Ms Karleen Phillips]

Depends on the show if I will watch it or not! I do think some of them are pretty dumb. Though I will admit that I did watch that For Love or Money, and American Idol and even American Juniors! I think some of them are neat!

Even better that they are employing PI's to help in background checks! That is pretty cool!

Thanks for the article that was really interesting!

[Jeff Colon]

I think it would be fun to work as a P.I. on those reality shows. Eventhough some of them are dumb, I think it would be a good experience as a P.I. And it doesn't mean we HAVE to watch them! :D

[Kathleen Padgett]

With the volume of reality shows lined up this fall and new ones coming out continuously... these PI's must have job security for a while, and some valuable background check experience;)

[Kevin Evans]

The more people are exposed to PIs and their function through reality TV, the more receptive they and people associated with them will become towards Private Investigators and their function.

[Jeff Shipley]

All I can say is more opportunities the better!!!!

[Melinda Cole]

Reality Shows?? :o BORING... However, I have never seen, but heard of some realilty show that has a P.I. following a cheating spouse, then on camera (of course) surprise the spouse who is with the "other woman or man", all the while the spouse that hired the P.I. is there, watching the entire thing, and of course a confrontation ensues, all in its Jerry Springer fashion.

My opinion is this: That show cheapens the private investigator image, so we appear to be sleazy low-lifes. I can't remember the name of that show, but I did talk to three private investigators about that at lunch one day, and they agreed that that show really hurts us true professionals!

Melinda Cole :cool:

[Michael Harris]

Melinda,

Amen.

Those shows do the things that PIs should not do, e.g., bring the client spouse to the trysting spot with the cheating spouse and the other adulterer. They cheapen the profession. :(

[Kathleen Padgett]

It's all about ratings, somebody must be watching these shows. So many new shows have been created this year, it's amazing.

[William Brassfield]

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[Jayson M Thompson]

It's been done before. I hope that our society can move on before reality T.V. becomes another societal virus like Jerry Springer.

[Michael Harris]

Jayson,

Welcome to IPIU and the IPIU forums. I have not run into your posts before. We are glad to have you with us.

I had not considered the reality TV to be anything like Jerry Springer - but what a piece of trash that is.:(

[B Ann Craig]

I haven't seen this TV shows, but if it is any thing like Jerry Springer , I don't want any part of it. I will have to watch this one some time, to see. ;)

Have a wonderful weekend. Take care. :)

[Michael Harris]

Ann,

One of the reasons that my daughter and I had to leave our last house was the my estranged wife watched Jerry Springer and all those filthy shows. :(

[B Ann Craig]

Michael, sorry to hear that, I guess she had a problem. Sounds like you made a good move. ;)

Have a wonderful weekend. Take care. :)

[Sheila Rucker-]

In speaking of the ever so disgusting Jerry Springer, I have to say that I at one time (years ago) I had respect for Maury Povich. It was back when he and his wife Connie Chung were both doing 20/20 type shows. I had caught a recent show of his and he has BECOME Jerry Springer.....what a shame and disappointment.

There is no respect left for him either.

Sheila Rucker

[Michael Harris]

Ann,

We did make a good move. :o

[Michael Harris]

Sheila,

He is still only a Jerry Springer wanna-be :eek: :o

[Sheila Rucker-]

You're right about that Michael!! And not a very good one. I lost all respect.

Have a great week.:)

[Michael Harris]

Sheila,

If you go from being a good guy to being a bad guy, you have to do it up big. Maury just went slimey. :(

[David Fowler]

Michael, insightful and intelligent as always

I must admit, I have been a Survivor fan from the beginning. The others I haven't given a passing glance. I watched one episode of American Idol, hated Simon, moved on. As a musician, I don't mind constructive criticism. Most musicians are not afraid to point out other musicians shortcomings, real or perceived. I would hate to have to be subjected to the sort of pounding Simon puts on some of these folks. True they may not be talented, but they've somehow gotten up the guts to try...that means a lot to most musicians. As far as shows like Springer, most of the people on there seem phony and rehearsed. When he first came on not so much, but now....pluuleeze... Oprah started heading that way early on but she saw what putting a bunch of bozos on the stage and letting them curse and lie and basically show their ignorance looked like and she changed. Mostly for the better. This little fad will continue till someone gets physically or emotionally damanged to the point of a hefty lawsuit and then we'll see them drift off to oblivion. The sooner the better.

[Clinton Hendricks]

David,

While I respect your opinion I must say that this things about reality television means only one thing to me, A JOB. I have my beliefs about this stuff. I just know right now it can be a sorce of income for me. Yes there are a lot of jobs where I can make a living but one is this. My foucus is on becoming a better investigator and getting the experience where I can. I have pride in the beleif of what I want to become and with that in mind I want to become the best.

You have some great points and I think that your insight can be channeled in the area of what interest you the most. Perhaps you can find an angle within this industry no matter how short lived it is to get some investigative experience. Hey lets not push that possibility away.

Let's get it on, our resumes!
Clinton

[David Fowler]

Hey Clifton you are so right!

I never meant that if asked I wouldn't do PI work for one these show. I feel that eventually these shows could lead to something like Richard Bachman's (aka Steven King) Running Man where someone would risk their life for a prize. Then what Gladiators? I meant that this "Reality" thing is another fad and probably won't be a big money market for folks like us.

[Clinton Hendricks]

David,

That's what I'm talking about. For me it's about getting the experience. I go where the work goes. However long it last. The idea is to get better. I can't get any better if I don't allow myself to experience different kinds of work.

Bring it on and keep it coming is my motto. You want me to investigate, I want to investigate. You have the work I take the work. At this point that is where I stand. Now once I get a better experience record I can be a little picky. I will then specialize in something.

I'm not going to tell those who want me to work for them not to offer me at job. I will get the job done whenever I get the job.

Let The Jobs Come,
Clinton

[David Fowler]

I agree

First of all I am so sorry that I put Clifton instead of Clinton. My bad. Secondly, you are so right. A job is a job. I would take any assignment thrown my way as long as it didn't effect my integrity as a human being. I got into this field because of the challenges it presents and the different people and places it will lead me to. If one of the reality shows called and said check this person out, I'd be right on it. I just hope the fad is just a fad. I would really hate to see someone hurt trying to win a prize. I know it sounds namby pamby to say it but I would hate to think that the only way I could get ahead in the world would be to subject myself to the pain, embarrassment and just plain ugliness that some of these poor folks do.

[Susan E Philbrook -]

Some much of TV is FAKE and made for entertainment only. Sometimes it is nice to get back to something real and if REALITY TV helps, it will last!

Thanks for the information.

S. Philbrook

[Valerie Roach]

Brother, do I feel disconnected!:eek: I am not a TV buff because I didn't grow up with one and it's never filled up my spare time. I cannot relate to sitting down at a TV and watching someone else's nonsense when there is enough "reality" just on a morning freeway!:rolleyes: :D
My best,

[Carl DeWitt]

I've seen the new show on FX a few times and liked it. The thing I like is they are helping people.

[Tanya Wyche]

I have to admit that I am hooked on the Forensic Files show. I have always been intrigued by forensics. I am too old to go back to school, and have no desire to sit through that much "science". But I love the field.

[Arthur Fields---]

This is really an interesting approach to being a private investigator. It shows one what can happen if you are creative in your thinking. People are really into reality shows. Good information. Arthur Fields

[Terrence Rose]

Does anyone know when the next PI show is on FX?

[Richard Greiner -]

Thanks for the info, its great to see Private Investigator's are working for people who makes movies.

[Kanda Force]

Originally posted by Terrence Rose
Does anyone know when the next PI show is on FX?

Check Friday night's line-up. Around 10 or 11 PM EST. :)

[Debbie Richardson]

Hello, I'm sorry that my email probably doesn't reflect your message but you were on the subject about TV shows and it reminded me of "Tommy Grand" the host of the television show "CHEATERS". Do you know what happened to him? I heard that he was shot doing an episode "CHEATERS". Someone got mad at him for "BUSTING" them. They were upset and did not like Tommy interfering I guess. I really liked that guy......he was good! I guess being an Investigator can get pretty hairy if you are not careful. If anyone has any feedback please advise. Thanks all.

[Debbie Richardson]

The show is called "CHEATERS". It happens to be one of my favorite television shows. I'm Sorry but I have to disagree with you on this one. The t.v. show doesn't show or exploit anything more than what's REALLY going on in the outside world today. The only difference between the show and everyday life is that we get to see first hand someone committing adultry (usually). I think it not only gives us some kind of perspective as far as what the P.I.'s job is like, but also keeps us on our toes about the kind of people we meet everyday. Normally (at least us lucky ones) we are not subjected to infidelity in our lifes so we tend to forget that it even exsists. The show CHEATERS just reminds us of the things that "REALLY" do happen in this cruel world. As a matter of fact, I heard that the host of the show "Tommy Grand" was shot and killed a few months ago during an episode of "cheaters". Someone didn't like the fact that he/she got "BUSTED" cheating on their other. If anyone has any feedback regarding the killing, please advise. Thanks.


Originally posted by Melinda Cole
Reality Shows?? :o BORING... However, I have never seen, but heard of some realilty show that has a P.I. following a cheating spouse, then on camera (of course) surprise the spouse who is with the "other woman or man", all the while the spouse that hired the P.I. is there, watching the entire thing, and of course a confrontation ensues, all in its Jerry Springer fashion.

My opinion is this: That show cheapens the private investigator image, so we appear to be sleazy low-lifes. I can't remember the name of that show, but I did talk to three private investigators about that at lunch one day, and they agreed that that show really hurts us true professionals!

Melinda Cole :cool:

[Clinton Hendricks]

Ms. Debbie Richardson,

This is interesting that you bring that question to the forum. I also wondered about him but I just never asked any questions. Who knows what the real story is, the fact is if he was injured while investigating a Cheater, or is that a fact? How does that effect our work? What is it to be learned from an incident such as that? Does this mean we have a means for an investigation?

Of course we would have to have the details but just off the top, what should we be thinking about our line of work? This first thing I can come up with is SAFTY. It just dawned on me that we have to be careful in what we choose to do. Some people say all money ain't good money. Just the nature of work we do should alow us to be comfortable with ourselves. In other words I'm saying we have to be good at what we do and know just what we are doing. We have a choice to the kind of assignments we take, so choose wisely. There are those of us who can and are willing to take on these type of assignments so we must not think we have to be an expert at everything. We should know a little bit about everything but we still have the choice.

Now back to the Cheaters program. I have stated before in these forums that this kind of work was available to us. I still think there is opportunity.

I strongly suggest that we make safty our highest standard. I believe that means in every assignment we take on. In todays world we are not sure where the danger will come from. We must practice professionalism in all we do. I say we because this is where is all starts. We must be there for one another. If anything, lets make this question on the Cheaters Investigator be a focal point of information. If we know of any incidents where we may think something of value to us should be exposed to other members perhaps we should do our own investigation and share our findings with one another. There is a way to do everything so lets be tactful.

I did't mean to go on and on with this but I'm just excited about this work and I just get a little long winded with my writtings about this business.

Enough, thanks for taking the time to read this.

Sincerely,
Clinton

[Debbie Richardson]

Hi Clinton,

Thank you for replying to my message regarding the show "CHEATERS". I understand where you are coming from and I hear you loud and clear. Us "rookies" need all the feedback we can get before stepping out into this crazy world. I agree with you 100% as far as the "SAFETY" issue. I think so many of us including myself (especially myself) take life for granted. I'm not sure if I think I am invincable or what, but I never think anything is going to happen to me. I'm pretty much not afraid of anything or anyone, and if I am it takes alot or a REAL big scary person to frighten me. I need to practice "SAFETY" alot more than I do. I know that I can be a good investigator but to be an outstanding one takes alot of precautions. Something that we will all experience as part of the learning process I'm sure. Thanks for reading my email and sending me your feedback on the subject. By the way, I'm real excited to begin this career also. I'm kind of confused right now as far as my next step to take. All I've done was register and request for and application to be mailed to me via U.S. Air Mail. I guess it didn't work through the email or at least I thought I requested one via email. There are so many things to read and get into that it's overwhelming. Thanks again! Have a good day.....

[Richard Greiner -]

he wasn't killed! he was stab in his stomach. But he did recover and is still doing the show.

[Debbie Richardson]

WOW, thank you. Someone told me he was killed. Do you know this for sure? I know the current episodes that Tommy does, so far have been repeats. I usually never miss an episode. The new guy Joey Greco (I believe is his name) runs the first hour episodes that are new ones. There's another hour of episodes that Tommy does but they have been all rerunds. Interesting news thanks again.






Originally posted by Richard Greiner
he wasn't killed! he was stab in his stomach. But he did recover and is still doing the show.

[Arthur Fields---]

How do you get a script to a producer who might be interested? Arthur Fields

[Clinton Hendricks]

Not a big deal but, maybe there is something to learn here.

Well, Debbie, I'm not sure but Richard seems to have a lead. This isn't a real investigation unless we decide to make it one. At this point I will settle for more information.

Working in the business is our goal and researching information is part of our business. Just for the fun of it, lets see how much fact we can obtain on this subject. I guess there are a few simple ways of obtaining the facts. Okay, lets see, where do we start?

Clinton

[Debbie Richardson]

Okl Clinton, You're on! Let's say by Friday we see how much info we have gotten....even if you or I have gotten the info already let's hush hush about it until Friday. This way the both of us have to work at getting the facts not knowing the other ones status. Deal? ok. Hey this is fun and good practice because I've never done this type of real life investigating on anyone except my mate....hee hee acting on my suspitions didn't feel real and important like now. Good call Clinton.






Originally posted by Clinton Hendricks
Not a big deal but, maybe there is something to learn here.

Well, Debbie, I'm not sure but Richard seems to have a lead. This isn't a real investigation unless we decide to make it one. At this point I will settle for more information.

Working in the business is our goal and researching information is part of our business. Just for the fun of it, lets see how much fact we can obtain on this subject. I guess there are a few simple ways of obtaining the facts. Okay, lets see, where do we start?

Clinton

[Clinton Hendricks]

Debbie,

Like the old Marvin Gaye record, Let's Get It On, you have a deal. I'm willing to believe that the facts are simple to obtain and quickly varifiable. Now the trick is to be specific. I want details. Show me the evidence. Pin point dates and times and even names if important to the facts. Now all this information must be public information. If exclusive information can be obtained, then all the better. This investigation is open to all who wish to become a star investigator. B R I N G I T O N! Let the games began. Remember the importants of Safty and Just the Facts, Just the Facts.

I'm having fun already, can't wait till Friday!

[Diane Carroll -]

As far as I'm concerned, only a few of these reality shows have any substance. I like Survivor and Amazing Race. If there was a way to work as a P.I. to check up on some of these other wacky reality shows, that would be an interesting opportunity. Umm...

[Debbie Richardson]

Originally posted by Clinton Hendricks
Debbie,

Like the old Marvin Gaye record, Let's Get It On, you have a deal. I'm willing to believe that the facts are simple to obtain and quickly varifiable. Now the trick is to be specific. I want details. Show me the evidence. Pin point dates and times and even names if important to the facts. Now all this information must be public information. If exclusive information can be obtained, then all the better. This investigation is open to all who wish to become a star investigator. B R I N G I T O N! Let the games began. Remember the importants of Safty and Just the Facts, Just the Facts.

I'm having fun already, can't wait till Friday!

WOW....see what I started..... loving it! Oh yeah, now you're talking. I'm going to tell you where I think I should start and you let me know if that is a wise move and keep on going or should I just "Back the car up and turn around". I was thinking of starting at the Los Angeles City library. Every library has newspaper archives or something in that nature don't they? Now remember, if you're thinking "Neah" then tell me to back that car up and if you're thinking "Not bad for a beginner" then I will keep on moving! So what'll you say? A good start? Oh, by the way, this is the only clue I'm giving you all.....hee hee This is fun!

Debbie

[Clinton Hendricks]

Debbie,

You are setting the ball in motion. Now it is our job to see how it will roll. We must cover all bases. You are in the baters box. Keep stricking for !st base.

Clinton

[Debbie Richardson]

Originally posted by Clinton Hendricks
Debbie,

You are setting the ball in motion. Now it is our job to see how it will roll. We must cover all bases. You are in the baters box. Keep stricking for !st base.

Clinton



Ewye Ewye Captain! Off and running...........

[Debbie Richardson]

For those of you including myself that were working on "finding out the real facts" about the reality show "Cheaters" I have some information. I went into the forum about the investigator "Tommy Grand", and what I had originally thought turned out to be a rumor. Clinton, if you are reading this, it looks like we both were somewhat wrong. According to the cheaters forum, Tommy Grand was fired and the new "little guy" as they call him, was the one that had gotten stabbed. So Clinton, you were correct to say the guy that was stabbed in the stomach is still doing the show. The only thing is, we were talking about a different guy "Tommy Grand." Tommy Grand supposedly had gotten fired and not stabbed. The forum I was in has a petition to bring Tommy back. I'm sure there are more facts to get but this is where I am so far. Well, I feel like that was one of my first assignments and I feel good about the info. I received. If anyone has anything to add or just to comment about, please feel free to reply.

[Deborah W]

Originally posted by Ms Debbie Richardson
For those of you including myself that were working on "finding out the real facts" about the reality show "Cheaters" I have some information. I went into the forum about the investigator "Tommy Grand", and what I had originally thought turned out to be a rumor. Clinton, if you are reading this, it looks like we both were somewhat wrong. According to the cheaters forum, Tommy Grand was fired and the new "little guy" as they call him, was the one that had gotten stabbed. So Clinton, you were correct to say the guy that was stabbed in the stomach is still doing the show. The only thing is, we were talking about a different guy "Tommy Grand." Tommy Grand supposedly had gotten fired and not stabbed. The forum I was in has a petition to bring Tommy back. I'm sure there are more facts to get but this is where I am so far. Well, I feel like that was one of my first assignments and I feel good about the info. I received. If anyone has anything to add or just to comment about, please feel free to reply.

Hi, Debbie!

I merged your topic into this one, since it was on the same subject. It's amazing how rumors can veer us away from the truth. ;)

[Clinton Hendricks]

Debbie,

It just happen that I received an email from the one of the executive assistants of Cheaters stating that Joey was stabbed in the third season, but he is doing great now.

Now here is the question, who is Joey and for that matter who is Tommy Grand? This makes things interesting and some what of a mystery. I will contact the people at Cheaters again to discuss this a little further. Someone knows the real story, I'm sure. Sorry it took so long to get back to you on this issue. I was trying to find your post. Anyway now the search is on.

Great job by the way with the information you obtained. I'm looking forward to digging a little deeper into the matter. Isn't this fun? I'm enjoying myself, how about you?

Clinton

[Alfonso Pelote]

This was an interesting story because, it shows tha a P.I.'s job assignments are unlimited. From, the streets to HollyWood, there are always a need for the service of a P.I.

[Arthur Fields---]

Nash's story is an interesting one. He certainly has a lot of things going for him. How would someone get in touch with a producer if they had something good to be produced?

[Susan L. Arredondo]

Hi all, I must admit I don't watch reality shows either, although this is an interesting story. On the other hand, I wouldn't mind doing some of those background checks, or anything else right now for that mattter.

How is it going for some of you others just starting out/

Susan

[Debbie Richardson]

Originally posted by Deborah Woehr


Hi, Debbie!

I merged your topic into this one, since it was on the same subject. It's amazing how rumors can veer us away from the truth. ;)



Hello Deborah,

Good eye! I appreciate the help you've given me. I just learned another new thing today about merging. I had no clue you can merge other members topics. Thanks for watching my back, especially since I am fairly new on board. You didn't by chance pick me because you liked my cool name, did you? (Sorry, I just couldn't resist!). Teamwork is what it's all about for me. Keep up the good work Deborah!

[Clinton Hendricks]

Debbie,

I'm still checking to find out who Joey is. I was not given a last name so this might take some time. Now you said that Tommy is the man and is still working for Cheaters. Tommy didn't get stabbed, just fired and rehired, right?

Okay who is the guy doing the show now? Is that Tommy? I kind of want to get to the answer here. I think by the time I get back to you I will have this solved!

If you think you can solve this problem before me, then go ahead and do your thing.

Clinton;)

[Kenneth L Napier]

i have to wonder why a pi would even consider disclosing his tricks of the trade to the world that only gives them the upper hand on the field right ?

[Technical Support]

Originally posted by Kenneth L Napier
i have to wonder why a pi would even consider disclosing his tricks of the trade to the world that only gives them the upper hand on the field right ? Technology tricks become outdated at some time. So they may see making a bucket of cash from being a star.

Strategies are nearly all contained in books that the public rarely reads. TV brings that out.

Then there's those PI's that want to retire and write a book.

I rarely see the younger PI's giving up their secrets.

[Debbie Richardson]

Originally posted by Clinton Hendricks
Debbie,

I'm still checking to find out who Joey is. I was not given a last name so this might take some time. Now you said that Tommy is the man and is still working for Cheaters. Tommy didn't get stabbed, just fired and rehired, right?

Okay who is the guy doing the show now? Is that Tommy? I kind of want to get to the answer here. I think by the time I get back to you I will have this solved!

If you think you can solve this problem before me, then go ahead and do your thing.

Clinton;)

Hello again Clinton,

Joey is the shorter guy with glasses that is currently running the show today. Joey's last name is Grecko. I'm not sure what area of California you live in, but here in Capitola, the show "Cheaters" runs for two hours. Joey Grecko (the new guy) runs the first hour of new episodes, and the second hour episodes are all reruns ran by Tommy Grand (the original PI). Still with me?

You are correct when saying that Joey had gotten stabbed but recovered and is still running the current shows. The only reason we still see Tommy is due to them showing us last year’s reruns. I want to thank you Clinton for making this assignment feel so exciting and REAL to me! I had allot of fun searching for my information.

Have been given this opportunity to investigate on my own, it's gotten me constantly licking my chops and drooling for more each day. I can't wait until my very first case. I love this kind of work and I know that I am going to be one outstanding PI. Thanks to all of you for your strong encouragement and support that I've felt since day one of my joining IPIU. Please keep utilizing your wisdom as you do so well, it's taught me a great deal so far.

Sorry for such a long message, hopefully my writing skills didn't confuse to many of you. I tend to rattle on once in a great while. Thank you IPIU.:eek:

[Clinton Hendricks]

Debbie,

It is also a pleasure to get feedback from you. I just want you to know that is only the beginning. Looking forward to many, many more.

[Debbie Richardson]

Originally posted by Clinton Hendricks
Debbie,

It just happen that I received an email from the one of the executive assistants of Cheaters stating that Joey was stabbed in the third season, but he is doing great now.

Now here is the question, who is Joey and for that matter who is Tommy Grand? This makes things interesting and some what of a mystery. I will contact the people at Cheaters again to discuss this a little further. Someone knows the real story, I'm sure. Sorry it took so long to get back to you on this issue. I was trying to find your post. Anyway now the search is on.

Great job by the way with the information you obtained. I'm looking forward to digging a little deeper into the matter. Isn't this fun? I'm enjoying myself, how about you?

Clinton


Hey Clinton,

Long time no chat! Glad that you got back to me on this subject. I thought I had lost your interest there for a while. I really love this kind of stuff and it makes for good practice. One question, how did you get an executive from the show Cheaters to email you the info? Now that was impressive, I would have to say. Good job Clinton, you showed me up that is for sure. I guess that is why you are a lot hire up than I am, you go boy! I was not sure if I answered your question regarding who Tommy was or not. I thought I explained him on my last message but if not, please let me know. Ok? Thanks Clinton. People like you make-work fun and exciting. You are not afraid to ASK QUESTIONS! Keep up the great job.

[Tiffiny Dixon]

Tiffiny Dixon Diane Jarosz,
I feel the same way! I think that it is a plus for us.Different show's are now hiring us to do there work for them.I mean think about it,Ricki Lake,Montel William's,Ophar W.,even the Marury show.And I feel that this open's the field for us. :D
"Reality Shows".................. what's that?!;)

I like the fact PI's are being employeed by the shows.
Well that is the only thing about Reality Shows I do appreciate.

DJ

[Debbie Richardson]

Hey, I wouldn't mind working for any of the names metioned above. It is a quick way to get your name known and to meet Ricki, Ophra, Montel and the who knows who else but I bet they are famous. Where do I sign? LOL

[James L Parmenter -]

I use to watch a couple when they first came out but found them unreal as the next guy or gal would....Fear Factor I thought was totally rediculous! Who in their right mind would even think of eating half the stuff they make those contestants eat? Yuck! Anyway, employing PI's for the background checks is cool, it keeps the $ rolling in and helps keep people honest..........

[Diane Carroll -]

I would do PI for reality shows. Absolutely!! Where do I sign up? ;)

[Katie Webb]

Hi,
Where do I sign up for this? It sounds like fun. : :)

[Victoria S Kinney]

There are way to many reality shows out there now . Everything now is a reality show. Enough is enough.

[Hugh Goodwyn]

I use to look at show like that such as a show that I use to watch with nash bridges.