Private Investigators hired to locate Sadam Hussein's ties.

[Robert Donovan]

From the newswire:


People with link to Saddam sought:

Private investigators and U.S. officials are looking at more than 15 key figures believed to have financial ties to Saddam Hussein (news - web sites), including:

* The half-brother. Many of Saddam's front companies were set up by his half-brother, Barzan Ibrahim Hasan, former head of Iraq (news - web sites)'s Mukhabarat secret service and Iraq's former ambassador to Switzerland, investigators say.

One of the ''most wanted'' former Iraqi leaders on U.S. soldiers' playing cards, Barzan was captured recently in Iraq.

''He can name names and detail the scope of the operation,'' says Nicholas Peck, a partner at Gryphon Investigations, who has researched Iraqi assets.

* The British billionaire. Nadhmi Auchi, a 65-year-old London businessman born in Iraq, was part owner of a small bank that laundered ''dirty money,'' according to a private 1996 report by the former Belgium ambassador in Luxembourg.

At one point, the bank -- Banque Continentale du Luxembourg -- held deposits made by Saddam and other dictators, including Libya's Moammar Gadhafi, the report alleges. In European media reports, Auchi has denied knowing Saddam.

The financier has run into legal troubles since moving to Great Britain two decades ago.

In 1987, Auchi helped Italian and French firms win a huge oil pipeline contract from Iraq by secretly paying Iraqi officials, according to a 1993 statement made by an Italian banker to prosecutors in Milan.

Auchi allegedly was paid $16.5 million for his work. The money was laundered through a Channel Islands shell company to a Panama firm run by Auchi called Barsy Services, according to the statement.

USA TODAY received the documents on Auchi from investigator Christine Negroni of Kreindler & Kreindler, a New York law firm investigating Iraqi assets on behalf of Sept. 11 attack victims.

In another business kickback scandal involving Auchi, British police last month arrested and charged him with conspiracy to defraud in a corruption trial involving French oil giant Total Fina Elf. Auchi's attorney, David Corker in London, did not return calls. Corker has denied the charges in British media reports.

* The Swiss financier. Elio Borradori, a retired 75-year-old banker, said he set up offshore firms as havens for Saddam's money after meeting him and Barzan in 1979, according to the British newspaper Sunday Times.

Borradori allegedly funneled millions of dollars through MEDP, or Mediterranean Enterprises Development Projects, a Swiss firm linked to 300 front companies worldwide, according to a private investigator who declined to be named and the Sunday Times.

A U.S. intelligence officer who is hunting for Saddam says Borradori appears to have been channeling and hiding Saddam's money, but investigators have not determined his exact role.

Once, Borradori told the Sunday Times, Saddam gave him a bullet engraved with the banker's name. Saddam's henchmen handed out silver bullets to warn people they shouldn't cross the dictator, says another U.S. intelligence officer.


More here:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/usatoday/20030515/bs_usatoday/5159930

[Kathleen Padgett]

Here's hoping these PI's will locate Saddam and his sons in addition to uncovering his money trail. This would be a rare opportunity and incredibly interesting assignment to take on.

[Mr Jose Bonavich Jr]

Kathleen,

I agree :D . What a great opportunity for the P.I. industry, it's nice to see the government willing to work with those "outside" their venue.

[Robert Smith -]

This has some good possibilities for PI's. If these private investigators can accomplish what needs to be done with this case and maybe even a little more, then private investigation as we know it will be in more demand than ever before making our time as private investigators more promising and rewarding than they are now.

[Carolynne Giffoni -]

Whew.......!!!

Pretty heavy work for someone.....and it won't be a novice I'm sure. However, it underlines that if you get good at your craft, there are pretty big opportunities for the knowledgeable and the aggressive.

Carolynne

[Byron Burke II]

Finding Saddam or some of his thugs would be great for the indiviuals carreer and everyone in the business, but I would really hate to see some naive P.I. w/o experience get involved in a case like this and get hurt. These people are not nice and have no problem hurting people.

[Michael Harris]

This is one area of PI work that does not need a license in New Jeersey.

There must be a great sense of satisfaction if you can help catch the really bad guys and get paid for it, too.

[Diane Jarosz]

I anticipate the day they capture Hussein and others.
I really would like to see Hussein captured alive.

You go PI's!
DJ

[Michael Harris]

Diane,

I know that Saddam deserves justice, as do all his victims. But a live Saddam is always going to be a threat.:( :mad:

They need to catch him dead. :mad:

[Diane Jarosz]

I hear what you're saying, Michael.

I wasn't thinking of fair justice when I said capture him alive.

DJ

[Kathleen Padgett]

Either way, he'll be outta the picture:) I can't imagine he'll go willingly though, given the Hussein family arrogance trait;)

[Michael Harris]

Diane,

Oh, you mean you were not talking about "textbook justice". I would hate to think of the oppressed Iraqis getting their hands on Saddam -- could they live with themselves if they tore him apart alive?:( :mad: that is why I was thinking about a bullet-riddled body - with face intact.

This is getting depressing.:(

[Amanda Monroe]

What a great opportunity for the P.I. industry, it's nice to see the government willing to work with those "outside" their venue.

I agree, here's to hoping they find everything

[Diane Jarosz]

I agree with everone's thoughts.
I just WISHED this was all over and Hussein and other Barbarians were caught and gone forever!
Right Michael, this is depressing! SAD!

[Michael Harris]

Diane,

We are losing too many good men and women in Iraq. The bad guys are still alive and the US is hemorrhaging cash. :) :D :cool:

As I said elsewhere, Justice answers to a higher law. :) :D :cool:

[Diane Jarosz]

We are losing too many good men and women in Iraq. The bad guys are still alive and the US is hemorrhaging cash.

AGREED Michael !:)

[Michael Harris]

Diane,

I was in my late teens during the war in Viet Nam. I am the father of a high school senior. My daughter's friends might enter the military (we live near both an Army post and an Air Force base) just to have a job. I would hate to see them lose their lives over a piece of [expletive deleted by author]. :(

[Diane Jarosz]

I hear what you're saying Michael.
My brother did two tours in Viet Nam as did my husband, two brothers-in-law, two uncles and friends I grew up with ...some didn't return alive or dead!!!!. My dad was a POW in WII. I have a POW.MIA tattoo on my right ankle in rememberence to my dad and all who were, will be, and currently participants in war.
I was a big protester in the 1960's against the war. My picture made front page news in The Philadelphia Bulletin. Something( protesting) I'm not proud of doing, now that I have matured.
Every man in my family since the Colonial days have fought in a war. This now includes my oldest son, who recently returned from Iraq. During this Iraq war and war on terriorism I decided to be proactive and positive and support the troops by volunteering my time for aiding the families at home waiting for their loved ones to return from Afganistan, Iraq, or some other (so called) less news worthy country.

War is stressful for everyone, no matter if we have family or friends fighting or not. War is......................

WAR! The after effects are everlasting
DJ

[Michael Harris]

Diane,

I was not in the military, partly because I was never quite the right age. I grew up in a military household -- my father was career Army and fought in two wars, and my mother was a Marine. My kid sister (pusing 50) is still Air Force Reserve. I spent three decades building things to keep our warfighters alive and safe.

I have worked with soldiers, sailors, and marines who saw combat as early as the mid-1930s. I have heard the stories and felt their pain. I have friends who never came back, I have friends who have family members who never came back. I spent time in hospitals with the Viet Nam wounded.

War is not good even when the justification is absolute. Right now, there are not many people my age who are in the military and in positions of danger.

I see the possibility of a lousy economy driving my daughter's friends into the military. You cannot have a heart and not feel for them.

Diane,

I offer a taost and a prayer to all the men in you family for serving, and to the women who waited and watched.

[Diane Jarosz]

Yes! Michael,
A toast to all life!
http://www.gifanimations.com/Image/Animations/food/7up.gif

DJ:)

[Michael Harris]

Diane,

I will toast to anything as long as it is with you. :o

I love your animated drink. :cool:

[Kathleen Padgett]

DJ,

I loved your non-alcoholic toast for Michael.. that's awesome:D

[Diane Jarosz]

Hi Kathie,
How are you doing?
I remembered Michael said he didn't drink alcohol, so I did uncola, non-alcoholic effervescent want-a-be.:) It was a safer choice than even efferescent apple cider! :) 7-Up good stuff!
DJ
PS myself............ I Love a glass of Italian homemade wine now and than.:D

[Michael Harris]

Diane,

My English grandfather (the one married to my Italian grandmother) used to make dandelion and elderberry wine. I do not really remember the wine, but I remember the eauipment from when I was 4 or 5.

I am sitting here with a diet coke with lemon. I have to save my last few cans of Mountain Dew Live Wire for a special occasion - today is the final day for Live Wire.:(

[Colleen L Hayes -]

I will volunteer for this job!!!!!

[Kathleen Padgett]

Hi DJ,

I remembered he didn't drink too, and our conversation that day last time we toasted:) That's what made your toast with 7up so special:D Thoughtful and sweet;) :D

[Michael Harris]

Kathie,

That is what makes both you and Diane so special. :cool:

[Kathleen Padgett]

:o Awwww... Michael, that's sweet, thanks:D

[Michael Harris]

Kathie,

Did I embarrass you? :rolleyes:

[Kathleen Padgett]

Hi Michael, Nah!, I appreciate the compliment, I was just being silly and having a little fun with ya:D

[Michael Harris]

Good Morning Kathie,

I like silly.:rolleyes: ;) :o

[Jeff Creedon]

Where do I sign up :D
Thats an assignment I think we'd all want!

[Colleen L Hayes -]

This is an assignment that would help us get our training accomplished and we would all enjoy every second of it I'm sure.

[Corinne Pedriani--]

I hope they catch this [insert your colorful word of choice here]soon...The sooner and deader the better. :mad:

[Kathleen Padgett]

Hi Michael,

Me too, it's fun to be silly:D

[Kathleen Padgett]

Corrine,

I loved your statement [insert your own colorful choice of words here].

That's a good way to put it:D

It gets your feelings and point across, and still leaves room for a little creativity and fun for the reader, while remaining non-offensive and politically correct:) Too funny:D

[Corinne Pedriani--]

Kathleen,
Thank you so much for noticing. It's hard for me to remain PC and within the bounds of forum rules when it comes to a topic such as this. I try to be ladylike, :eek: but I have to admit that I talk like an angry sailor about these things. ;)

While I understand the weight of this, I have to keep a sense of humor, or I'd probably go crazy! (Plus, I do hope that my comments are enjoyable for the readers! :rolleyes: )

So thanks! You just made my morning! :D

[Michael Harris]

Corinne,

Interesting phrasing. I draw the line at good taste (usually), but I am offended by rigorous PC. I find it to be condescending and insulting.

I did notice that the forum can block certain words. I posted a comment about 'messing' up using a different word. The forum posted it with asterisks (******) replacing the word. The word is a common piece of hardware that is placed using a tool that is either 'straight' or 'phillips'. I avoid that word in the forums. I can see the point and I have no problem with it. ;) :cool:

[Colleen L Hayes -]

Michael,

That was just too funny. :D

[Kathleen Padgett]

Corrine,

Glad I made your day:D

Michael, I agree with Colleen, that was pretty funny:D

[Michael Harris]

Colleen/Kathie,

If you figured out the word, type it into a post and Preview it. See what happens. I like the concept, but some words have clean meanings, too. :o

[Corinne Pedriani--]

Michael,

You are too funny! ;) I guess things would be different if this was a carpentry forum! :)

[Michael Harris]

Corinne,

Did you try it? ;)

[Corinne Pedriani--]

No. I didn't try it. I trust you implicitly. ;)

I've seen the asterisks in some of the other forums, although I don't think it was for the word you're speaking of! :eek:

[Corinne Pedriani--]

Okay, Michael.

I did just try it, (I couldn't stand it! ;) )and the word did show up in my preview!

[Michael Harris]

Corinne,

I tried it just before I hit the post button and it came up *****.

Does yours let the word through? :confused:

[Colleen L Hayes -]

Michael,

Oh my gosh, oh my gosh, oh my gosh. It was going to be put through, I scrambled to get it edited.:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Michael Harris]

Colleen,

Was that embarrassment? :o

[Dragos Sfinteanu]

Michael,

I am a little bit late at this round table, trying to re-activate the topic.

I think that the matter is primarily in the CIA- and Army field of operations.

In this respect I could mention a press-release originating from "Sunday Mirror" (end September), that there are negotiations under way between U.S. (gen. Ricardo Sanchez) and Saddam Hussein representatives. According to the Sunday Mirror he wants U.S. to..... let him go in Belarus in exchange of information about WMD and his bank accounts. (I did not see yet such info in the american media).

Dragos

[Richard Greiner -]

Thats great, I never thought they would use a PI in this kind of work. It just shows that even the Goverment needs people like us to help solve there cases.

[Dragos Sfinteanu]

I think, after December 13, 2003, when Saddam Husein was captured, this topic has significantly diminished its present interest

[Clinton Hendricks]

Dragos,

He's not dead yet, and he won't be dead until he's dead. Dragos, Not everyone will agree to face the bottom line. We have a man here who has committed some real bad crimes. We must agree that he's really no different then some of our very own men in high power positions. Take for instance, is Bush comitting a crime by not telling the truth about our real so called mission? Is there a crime for our President to have his own people killed to prove a point? What about Bin Lardin? What will he do to find him and how many of our people will be killed? Is he the master mind of all the terror attacks? How many more master minds are there? When will it stop?

What were we in Iragi for? Was it a mission to catch the so called dictator or was it to find WMD? I know we want to believe our side of everything and our reasons for everything, but did this dictator level the Twin Towers? Do we believe we are right about everything, especially going into another country and telling them what they should believe? Come on now, who are we? Have we commited war crimes? Have we commited crimes upon ourselves? What is really going on?

To the point, we have him now, now lets get what we were there for and let the Iraqis take their man. Where are we going to go next? Will the next country be Mexico? I just don't think we need to be the police of the world. I think we need more PI's to investigate our concerns. We need people who are committed to find the answers. People who will go to the ends of the world to get the answer. Lets just commit to our crafts and make this a point of reference to the beginning of a life that will change the world. We must remain focus on our mission to pursue our investigations!

Happy Holidays Everyone,
Clinton

[Tina M Phillips]

Clinton,

I guess you have been reading my mind because I pose the same questions. I feel so many lives have been lost and when will it stop? Does our president get more approval, as I have heard, because he spent Thanksgiving with the troops?

When will it all end? Its something that we all will have to wait and see and stay in prayer.

I appreciate your passion and concern in this matter.

Tina Phillips

[Dragos Sfinteanu]

Clinton,

Your invitation deserves an answer: my remarks about your post.

1. Some of your comments are interesting, expressing strong personal feelings about some sensitive issues that concern many Americans.

2. I think you did not place the comments in the most appropriate location, because of the following reasons:

- By reviewing the topic you will find out that the subject is
related to a relatively old issue: PI helping CIA and FBI
to locate Saddam Husein's ties to bankers, financial persons,
etc., concerning money laundering. The ultimate goal in this
respect was Saddam capture. Once Saddam captured, the
interest of the topic diminished, as I mentioned in my previous
post ( from Oct.22 to Dec.26 it was NO posting!).

- If you wish to unfold your comments, opinions, and feelings
related to another topic (even if it is a new branch of the "old"
topic), it would be preferably to open a new topic - your topic
(you can do that very simply, by clicking on "Start a New Topic",
after asking a Moderator for the most suitable forum). This
solution, based on a voluntary and amiable participation,
avoiding any trace of "forced" intervention, would be, in my
opinion (IMO), a courteous and efficient one, a solution generally
adopted in the IPIU forums.

- Sometimes the creative IPIU environment determines
forum members to expand their debates beyond the topic
limits ("OOT" - "out of topic"). Although the Moderators accept
"extensions" as a courtesy, they finally could intervene, if the
OOT becomes too long or the debate turns towards a dispute.
I would not be happy being in such a position, and I think you
would not like it either.

3. There is a misunderstanding in your post.




Originally posted by Clinton Hendricks
Wait one minute!

Dragos, Not everyone will agree to face the bottom line...


If you review carefully my previous post, you can see that I did not mention a "bottom line", but a "diminishing of interest", which is totally different (both sense and utterance). This difference cancels your advice. I do not have to wait a second ;)

4. In addition to your comments expressing clear ideas, IMO there are some confusions




Originally posted by Clinton Hendricks

We have a man here who has committed some real bad crimes....

What were we in Iragi for? Was it a mission to catch the so called dictator or was it to find WMD?

With your permission, I would like to detail "some real bad crimes": Saddam, who killed personally his ennnemies, letting a heritage of mass-graves of potential foes, army desertors, etc., rulling Irak for 35 years with an iron fist, also used chemical agents (WMD) twice, to the best of my reccolection: against Iranians, in 1988 (Iran-Irak war) - 20,000 casualties, and against his own people, in 1998, when facing a Kurdish revolt in Northen Irak - 200,000 victims...

This is more than "some real bad crimes", this is genocid.
Considering the facts, could you name him a "so-called dictator"?

Also, it is a remaining question: Would Saddam have had hesitated (if given the opportunity) to use WMD against the USA?
It has to be mentioned that until now neither WMD, nor documents attesting their destruction were found in Irak.

5. Clinton, do you usually support your statements by facts?

I could pick-up some examples in this respect.




Originally posted by Clinton Hendricks

... Is there a crime for our President to have his own people killed to prove a point? What about Bin Lardin? What will he do to find him and how many of our people will be killed? Is he the master mind of all the terror attacks? How many more master minds are there? When will it stop?


I will cite in this respect a media release, dated December 19,2003 (San Jose Mercury News)




Originally written by Will Lester (Associated Press)

SELECTED FINDINGS
45 percent of respondents said they would definitely support
Bush's re-election.

Two-thirds of respondents said they were confident the
United States would capture or kill Osama bin Laden

63 percent said they approved of Bush's handling of foreign
policy and terrorism

These are facts Clinton. I do not have any connection with the pool. These facts exist, regardless of my feelings or yours.
Acting as a PI, if you wish to make a statement, try to find supporting facts first. This is a friendly advice.

I will not comment your reference concerning Bin Laden (not Lardin ; even the bastards have the right to have their names correctly spelled out), because, IMO, this is not very clear.

I am not an error-hunter. I never was. It is my background that "compelled" me to carefully analyze facts before making judgments... and I got the "bad" habit.

I think my earlier reference about PI was an inspired one.
PI requires (among other features) evidence/facts and clearness when presenting the facts. Also it is to mention that , when writing a report, the PI does not include his/her opinions. Just facts, clearly expressed.

A last remark. You wrote my name with Size 3 letters. I could answer same way but I considered it unnecessary. :)

Happy Holidays to you too.

[Clinton Hendricks]

Dragos,

Your post was most appreiciated. For me it is a hugh lesson on fact. I have not taken the time to research your qoutes of fact but I must say it seems that you have done some research.

Thank you for taking the time to reply to my post and please except my aoplogy if I offended you in any way. I find your comments to be most interesting and I will continue to seek your advice on matters of concern. I hope that I reach my goal to be a great investigator and with people like yourself willing to relate your experience, I think I'm on my way.

Clinton:)

[Dragos Sfinteanu]

Clinton,

It was nice conversing with you. You did not offend me in any way. I mentioned the size of the letters since it is a tool usually used to strenghten the attention of the other person that your message needs special consideration. It is generally used for advertising, Holiday greetings, etc. In a professional correspondence it is generally avoided.

I appreciate your frank and open manner to discuss a topic. It is perfect with friends and family. It is only a remark about that (again, a friendly advice). In a specific/professional field you should "adjust the engine" according to the environment conditions.

I am sure, after reading and posting more throughout the forums, you will do a great job.

Dragos

P.S. By the way, I noticed that we both share a common hobby: tennis. I think this might be the reason of my (unusual) long post to you. ;)

[Michael Harris]

To All:

I am back!

I need to get caught up with the threads that I missed while working and travelling.

I also noticed that my comment count was going backward - I lost at least a handful of comments.

[Dragos Sfinteanu]

Michael,

I am happy you are back !

I just let you a special mesage at "Duane Chapman 1" (Max Factor... Bounty Hunter...)

[Michael Harris]

Dragos,

It is good to be back.

I will look for the message on Duane.

[Clinton Hendricks]

Michael,

I want you to know that I have lots of your post along with others and I really enjoy them. It's good to have you back. Looking forward to some interesting exchanges.

HAPPY NEW YEAR!
Clinton

[Michael Harris]

Clinton,

As soon as I have cleared my backlog, I intend to get serious about this stuff.:D :cool:

[Clinton Hendricks]

Michael,

At times like these I'm not sure what to say except that it is refreshing to hear the joy in your words about what you do. Each day I take time to read post and reply to post it feels like I have made an effort to learn or sharpen my skills. I want to tell you this, our friend Dragos really gave me a wake up call on research. I mean he laid some facts on me that made me think that I have to be careful what I say because you never know who is listening.

I like that sort of thing and I'm looking forward to doing more research an sharpening my skills. I went though the manuel today and selected some books and videos to help me in some areas. Hopefully I can bring something to the table that can be of help. There are so many areas to this thing.

On topic, I believe it is a good thing that PI's are being given the opportunity to use their skills in areas of government. It is a very risky thing for the untrained but as long as we know our bounderies I think we will do well. I think the signs of the times make it a good time to get busy.

Clinton

[Michael Harris]

Clinton,

As soon as I clear most of my backlog, I intend to start some new threads.

[Clinton Hendricks]

Michael,

Looking forward to it!

Clinton

[Michael Harris]

Clinton,

Thank you.

Have a safe and blessed New Year. :)

[Colleen L Hayes -]

Originally posted by Michael Harris
To All:

I am back!

I need to get caught up with the threads that I missed while working and travelling.

Michael,

I wasn't aware you had been gone. I guess that means I need to do some catching up myself. All work and no play...........

Catch you in the forums.

[Michael Harris]

Colleen,

I was away so ling that I would have a comment count of almost 5000 if I had been here.

You really know how to hurt a guy's feelings.;)

[Clinton Hendricks]

Micheal,

Even I know you are stronger then that. Feelings are just an emotion to you and we know that to feel you is to know you. What am I talking about, I feel like I know you or something. Maybe you haven't been away ling (long)enough. I know a little about feelings, Dragos gave me a lesson on feelings.

You were away and now I know what it is like to have you around and I don't want you to go away at least until I'm finished with you. I enjoy your comments and I look forward to reading them so go ahead, I know you can't resist letting me feel what you think.

Sorry I know I joined in but I just couldn't resist the opportunity to express my feelings. The women does it to us all the time. No harm intended Colleen. Oh, I'm sorry Colleen we have not been formally introduced, I'm a fellow member and I enjoy being part of this whole thing and I hope I haven't offended anyone in anyway by letting you know what I feel.

Is it good to have feelings as an investigator or should we all be hard? Do we have to feel stuff to get the job done? Is it a requirement to have feelings for the job? Oh, I guess I need a little guidance here, come on my friends, give me a little help.

Oh, wow, I got off topic. Okay, okay, Sadam, yes we were suppost to be talking about Sadam or was that topic covered? I've said enough, its your turn, help bring me back on topic, PLEASE!

Clinton


:D

[Michael Harris]

Clinton,

I had written somewhere that I wanted Saddam to be taken with his body full of bullets, but his face undamaged. I did not want his own people to tear him apart and had to live with that.

We have Saddam, but since the capture, there has been almost no news.

He was able to elude capture for so long because he has supporters and money. We need to find and punish his supporters and find his money.

Saddam's money belongs to the people of Iraq, but we have spent far to much of our money to not be entitled to a share.

I have always felt that the loser should pay for the winner's cost of the war. This is one way of making everyone a little cautious about starting something. However, if we get carried away - the French humiliation of the Germans at the Treaty of Versailles (end of WWI) was a major contributor to the rise of Hitler and his brand of fascism (brutal national socialism). We need to look for a balance.

I am a systems engineer which means that I am trained to see how everything is connected to everything else. I am also a logistician which means that I am trained to see everything from cradle to grave. My professional education, training, and experience give me a view that most politicians will never have.

[Clinton Hendricks]

Michael,

It's time to take your place in the polictial arena. The time is right and with your background you can make a difference.

Lets have a vote, all those that would like Michael Harris to enter politics say yah, and to against it say nah.

I'm going to vote nah, why, because we need him here!

Clinton

p.s.What about this guy that interest me, HIS EXPERIENCE!

[Michael Harris]

Clinton,

You can run my campaign.:o

[Tina M Phillips]

Originally posted by Michael Harris
Clinton,

You can run my campaign.:o


The "Yah's are here!!!

[Dragos Sfinteanu]

Clinton,

I think you could run Michael's campaign.

But first I would like to send you an opinion about your question:



Originally posted by Clinton Hendricks

...Is it good to have feelings as an investigator or should we all be hard? Do we have to feel stuff to get the job done? Is it a requirement to have feelings for the job? Oh, I guess I need a little guidance here, come on my friends, give me a little help.

Clinton:D


First, you should be yourself. Remember, you can not hide from yourself. When playing tennis you can express very tough (but decently) your feelings. I do the same on tennis courts. It is OK to have feelings as being a PI , but never ever let your feelings prevail over your duties and responsibilities.

This "logo" includes two factors: professionalism and experience. The first one involves wearing a polished hat, or more hats. Consider please, Michael in this respect. He is wearing (alternatively) many hats: Criminal Justice (Ph.D.), engineer, minister (he signs then Rev. Harris), Public Notary, even locksmith... Each of his hats is very well polished. Consider yourself buying and polishing hats. Each of them (- profession-) is a "golden bracelet" (old Romanian proverb).

As an example, one of the hats, very important for PI is Writing skills (spelling and grammar). A PI,when submitting a report, never can make an excuse by claiming the "fat finger typo" (great definition of Michael!). Such a fact could end his/her career.

Let's now suppose you are already a professional PI , working on a case. You find out during the investigation that your best friend, like a brother for you, is badly involved (positively guilt!) in that case. What would you do? This could be an example to evaluate the influence of feelings for a PI.

I will give you an example from my own experience. It was in 1978, March 17 (!), one day after a devastating and the deadliest earthquake in Romania, that struck Bucharest, the capital of the country (over 2,000 victims). I was wearing one of
my hats, as an Associate Teacher at the University of Bucharest. When entering the class, I felt I could not hold the lecture. I was as overwhelmed as the students were. I sat down in the middle of them and we started commenting the disaster. After a while, I realized that I had to perform my duty (again, the hat!). When wondering how to start the lecture (I remember precisely the topic: "Gas Turbine Operating Principles") one of the students started talking about boilers exploding during the earthquake action. I caught the flying bullet and switched the discussion to safety devices for boilers, engines,... and turbines. When I started the main topic nobody seemd to be surprised or reluctant...

... The second factor, experience, comes with the years, that is a rule. But you, and everybody, can accelerate the process. In this respect you can try the following: being relaxed (or stressed!), in your circle of friends, when discussing/debating an event, try to contain your natural (even logical - in your opinion) impulse before answering. Replace your answer by a collateral (but intelligent) comment, or just answer by a smile... You will see that it works.

It is difficult to develop such a topic on one or two "screens", but as "a little guidance" it could work.

Clinton, I am terribly sory... We are (again) OOT. :mad:

[Clinton Hendricks]

Dragos,

I have to take a moment out of my day to try and understand what you just said. You go deep, and I think I have to go deep with you to be on the same level. So, this will be my moment to dig, while I let others see if they can get the meaning of what you just said. You were giving me guidance in feelings, right?

I have a problem, my problem is I really like to read and what makes that a problem is sometime I have to take a moment to really understand what I'm reading sometimes. I like that about myself because when I finally get it I really get it.

Dragos, you and Michael are long winded. What makes that so nice is what you say. I sometimes am long winded but I feel I don't have nearly as much to say as you guys. I want to be just informed as you are. You are my shining example.

Topic at hand, I was under the impression that I should be careful with my feelings in ths business. I mean I should let my feelings be truely known because there are ways that they can be used against me. I was thinking the smart ones only let so much of themselves be known. I guess for fear of exposeing a weakness in the armor, so to speak. No one likes to be attacked. Words have a funny way of bringing out the best or worst in us. My focus in bringing this question out was that most of the time I'm using my feelings in responce to the post I read. The key for me is to be honest without disclosing too much of my personal self. Having said that I feel maybe I shoud rethink that mythod.

On thing that woke me up was a post from you about facts. I mean that really hit home. Now I must learn to do my research and then post. I want to thank you for that. I want to make that my stepping stone to becomming a good Investigator.

I want to share with you that I just got my Docs. to submit my prints and photos for my credentials. This is some exciting stuff. I also got letters requesting a reply for my first assignments. I am beyond myself. I'll keep you imformed.

Clinton

[Dragos Sfinteanu]

Clinton,

Go ahead, and Good Luck. :) :cool:

[Michael Harris]

Clinton,

That is good news.:) :D :cool:

[James L Parmenter -]

As a newcomer here, i get the feeling that i'm reading the wrong levels. This article and its replies are dated back in June/July 2003.....Sadam has been caught....and some of his ties have also been apprehended.......Am I in the right place?

[Victoria S Kinney]

My thoughts and prayers go out to all the men and women who are overseas and fighting for our country. I have a sister, brother and 2 nephews over there. I had friends in Viet Nam and. I hope they get Saddam and all his men. We should have done it when we had the chance. I don't know if anyone ever listens to country music and Toby Keith "Proud to be an American".

[Hugh Goodwyn]

I can't wait until Saddam is brought to justice to answer for the crimes he has did.