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Thomas W Tanner
01-16-2005, 01:31 PM
Protect yourself from identity theft by keeping a tight rein on your Social Security number. Only a few organizations have the right to demand it. Here's how to fend off the rest.

By: Bankrate.com


"I think it's spooky. Everybody has that one number, and everything about you is tied to it," worries Jim Edwards, program director at WJNO in West Palm Beach, Fla.

"Put it in a computer and poof -- here's your bank account, your phone number, where you work."

The key to all that private information? Your Social Security number.

Edwards was way ahead of most people. Back in the early '80s, he refused to give his Social Security number when he enrolled at Miami Dade Community College. The school wanted to use it as a student identification number, but Edwards held his ground and the school gave him a different number -- all zeros, as he recalls.

Today, schools, phone companies, utilities, health clubs, insurance companies, video stores -- just about everybody wants your Social Security number. Some of the more prevalent uses are to get your credit rating and determine whether you pay your bills, and to keep track of you through name and address changes.

But companies also use your Social Security number to develop marketing lists, which they can sell to other companies. A list with the numbers is more valuable than one without.

Why should you care who sees your Social Security number? The more people who see it, the more susceptible you are to identity theft, where you are victimized by someone fraudulently using your name and credit report to steal money.

Identity theft costs American businesses billions each year, costs that are eventually passed on to all consumers. The toll on victims is heavy, too. The California Public Interest Research Group estimates that, on average, an identity theft victim will spend 175 hours and $800 trying to clear their record of fraudulent charges.

"I've seen accounts opened with wrong names and different addresses. As long as there's a SSN, that's all some of them care about," says Linda Foley of the Identity Theft Research Center in San Diego.

Who has the right to ask for your digits?
While any business can ask for your Social Security number, there are very few entities that can actually demand it -- motor vehicle departments, tax departments and welfare departments, for example. Also, SSNs are required for transactions involving taxes, so that means banks, brokerages, employers, and the like also have a legitimate need for your SSN.

Most other businesses have no legal right to demand your number.

"There is no law prohibiting a business from asking for your Social Security number, but people don't know they can say no," says Carolyn Cheezum of the Social Security Administration.

"We recommend that you ask if they'll accept an alternative piece of identification. If they don't, flat-out refuse to do business with them. Bear in mind that there's a possibility they'll refuse to provide whatever product or service you're seeking."

Edwards, for example, won't give his Social Security number to his doctor's office.

"When you go to the doctor's office and fill out the medical information, they ask for the SSN. I leave it blank. Nothing happens. I'm not reporting income from them."

In fact, chances are good that many companies that routinely ask for Social Security numbers will do business with you even if they can't have your number.

"We ask for a Social Security number to open an account, but it's not required," says Michael Lowndes of the Long Island Power Authority.

"The Social Security number is just part of the customer's record. A common problem with utility accounts is people open an account, default and reopen another account using the same Social. We can use that to discover the problem."

Kimberly Brown at Bell South headquarters in Atlanta says there's a procedure the company follows if someone doesn't want to give his number.

"We ask them to fill out a questionnaire to determine their payment history. We don't do a credit check; we depend on them being honest. The questionnaire determines the Bell South rating for them, and then that determines whether they'll have to pay a deposit to establish service."

Your cat is sick? Give us your Social Security number
Linda Foley of the Identity Theft Research Center says she brought her critically ill cat to a vet's office and balked when she was asked for her SSN.

"I said why? Will it be my cat's ID number? They said no, but if you give us a check we want a driver's license and a SSN in case the check bounces. I said I'd pay by credit card. They said it's our policy to get the number.

"I said if I give you a credit card and refuse to give you my Social Security number, you'd let my cat die right now? They looked at me and the cat and said, 'Give us the card; we'll take care of it.' I was upset about the cat, but I was frustrated by the way I was being treated. It was unnecessary."

Social Security numbers and identity theft
Social Security numbers exist for the purpose of tracking earnings and paying benefits, Cheezum says. Although President Franklin Roosevelt signed an order requiring federal agencies to use SSNs for record-keeping systems, they were never meant to be used by businesses as an identifier, but have taken on that role because everyone has one.

But the snowballing problem of identity theft is spurring some governments to limit the use of SSNs.

California is leading the way with its law barring businesses, health care providers and schools from:

· Publicly posting Social Security numbers or requiring them for access to products or services.

· Printing of Social Security numbers on cards required for accessing products or services.

· Requiring an individual to use his or her Social Security number to access a Web site unless a password is also required to access the site.

· Printing an individual's SSN on any materials that are mailed to the individual.
The state of New York limits the use of Social Security numbers in schools and colleges. New York public and private schools cannot publicly display Social Security numbers. Many are opting to assign students identification numbers. Arizona has passed similar legislation.

Foley says she hopes other states will follow suit and be even more restrictive so that SSNs will eventually be used only for a few selective purposes.

But, Foley says, until that happens, the first defense against the fraudulent use of Social Security numbers are the companies that issue credit.

"Are they verifying that the person applying for credit is the true consumer? Are they looking carefully for red flags that might alert them to possible fraudulent use? If a credit application has a last name spelled incorrectly or an address different from the credit record, that should provoke someone into calling the consumer."

Some privacy rights proponents say Social Security numbers shouldn't be used for obtaining credit. Does that mean a second number would have to be issued for people seeking credit? Would that be any better than the current system?

More protections in California
Perhaps California's newly enacted privacy law offers a better option.

In addition to limiting the use of Social Security numbers, the law allows a consumer to place a "security freeze" on his credit report. The freeze prohibits consumer-credit-reporting agencies from releasing the consumer's credit report or any information from it without express authorization from the consumer.

Time will tell if that provision works better than the more common "alerts" that many people put on their credit reports. With an "alert" a consumer is supposed to be notified that someone is attempting to obtain credit in his or her name. But stories abound of breakdowns in the system.

If someone uses your Social Security number to obtain credit and doesn't pay the bills, you'll discover the fraud as soon as the bill collectors come calling. But sometimes an identity thief actually pays the bills and, in those instances, it could be a long time before you discover the fraud.

The best way to find out if someone is fraudulently using your Social Security number is to request copies of your credit reports at least once a year. There are three main credit-reporting agencies. It's a good idea to get a copy of your report from each agency so you can check for discrepancies. You can order your credit report from: "http://www.transunion.com", "http://www.equifax.com" and "http://www.experian.com".


copyright 2005 MSN

Janet Normington
01-17-2005, 10:40 AM
I have been doing information research for sixteen years, including running SSNs, and I am not impressed with the accuracy of the three credit reporting agencies. Discrepancies are common in the SSN as well as the name and address. Most of these result from typographical errors rather than identity theft but they can still cause problems for a person's credit history. One time, I was showing a state trooper the information research process and was asked to run the trooper's SSN. The results showed another person linked to the trooper's SSN. Unfortunately, this other person had a couple of bankruptcies which could now show up on the trooper's credit history. A bankcuptcy would cost the trooper his job so he had to get the discrepancies cleared up. My experience has shown me that I cannot rely on the credit reporting agencies to identify and correct errors themselves. I must be diligent and keep an eye on my own credit history.

Thomas W Tanner
01-17-2005, 06:26 PM
I have been doing information research for sixteen years, including running SSNs, and I am not impressed with the accuracy of the three credit reporting agencies. Discrepancies are common in the SSN as well as the name and address. Most of these result from typographical errors rather than identity theft but they can still cause problems for a person's credit history. One time, I was showing a state trooper the information research process and was asked to run the trooper's SSN. The results showed another person linked to the trooper's SSN. Unfortunately, this other person had a couple of bankruptcies which could now show up on the trooper's credit history. A bankcuptcy would cost the trooper his job so he had to get the discrepancies cleared up. My experience has shown me that I cannot rely on the credit reporting agencies to identify and correct errors themselves. I must be diligent and keep an eye on my own credit history.

How true, how true! We should never rely on the reporting agencies. Seems they are not too ready to help someone clear a discrepancy. Their attitude, in some cases, is "guilty until proven innocent".

Thanks for your expert input, Janet! :)

Tom...

Karen McQuilken
01-21-2005, 02:15 PM
Extremely good advise and info on social security theft. You can use the keyword :fraud alert" on Google and it will bring you to all three agencies. From there you only need to call one of the listed numbers, and they in return contact the other two agencies. But remember, you need to update this info every 90 days unless you have proof of fraud. The only drawback would be if you yourself go to apply for credit, you might not want to be in a hurry. They do need to make contact with you before giving out info..hence this is why we did this in the first place. To protect our accounts!

Timmons J Longberry
01-22-2005, 07:46 PM
As i stated in my introduction i was a victim of identity theft.
The person who took my identity was caught. He told the F.B.I that he saw my info an a job application i had filled out.
I was still discovering things he had done under my name over a year after the fact. I didn't even know it had happened until the F.B.I. showed up at my door. This individual opened a bank account under my name and over a holiday weekend managed to steal $46,000 dollars out of an ATM. I'm just glad that i could prove i had never opened an account at that bank. It took several trips to my local F.B.I. office where they took samples of my handwriting and pictures of me to compare to the application and video from the ATM

Anyway I keep my info as safe as i can now. I even bought a paper shredder after that, and now i shred eveything that has any of my or my families info on it before i throw it out.

Thomas W Tanner
01-22-2005, 08:22 PM
Very good advice, Timmons. I, too, shred anything that has my name on it before it goes to the curb.

I strongly urge everyone to purchase a shredder & use it religiously. Just another step in protecting our identity.

Lisa Frye -
01-22-2005, 08:24 PM
Very good advice, Timmons. I, too, shred anything that has my name on it before it goes to the curb.

I strongly urge everyone to purchase a shredder & use it religiously. Just another step in protecting our identity.

I do the same! Good advice!! :)

Zaida Olivo
01-22-2005, 09:29 PM
Thomas thanks for the info on safeguarding my SSN. I rip up anything that has my name on it before putting it in the garbage but I think it's time to get a shredder and give my hands a rest :)

Zaida

Suyapa M Olivo
01-24-2005, 08:43 PM
Good advice. I will do the same. Zaida Olivo, I see that you have the same last name, maybe we're related :cool:

Justin Laing
02-09-2005, 09:24 PM
I deal with SSN's daily as part of being a fraud investigator for DELL. You'd be surprised how messed up some credit reports get due to typo's. Experian pulls the name and address then the SSN as a third resort. The above was a good read.

Deborah Springer
02-10-2005, 01:00 AM
Very good information! I agree. I have been pulling bureaus on myself twice a year and shred all sensitive information. I have dealt with so many different types of fraud in my current position. The one that never ceased to amaze was the family member that commited fraud against another family member within the household or the Jr./Sr. issue. It is a shame some may need to be that protective within their own home. :cool:

Also, I agree that the 3 agencies are not quick to resolve an inquiry. In most cases, it is not the agency that finds the discrepancy, but the person. The turnaround times for resolution are not addressed promptly because of the level of review prior to deletion or update. I have found that these issues may not so much be due to typographical errors, but due to file transfers from financial institutions that may become corrupt during submission.

Have a nice day! :)

Chris Towns
03-07-2005, 12:12 PM
Identity theft.As we know this is becoming and plague.I believe this is the number one crime in America and continues to run wild. According to sources the state of Alabama has presented a bill to the legislature for approval to make those convicted of identity theft pay$5,000 per count and up to 10 years in prison.The Fereral Trade Commission in 2003 had recorderd cases of over1,823 reports.

It will be interesting if this bill becomes law in the near future,These sources are from the State of Alabama Attorney General Troy and AARP.

J Ginsberg -
03-20-2005, 02:30 PM
Unfortunately, SSN's are required to do business with the federal government in a lot of areas. I wish the military would go back to issuing individual serial numbers, so this ID theft problem is nipped before it really hits anybody who is in the military, the reserves, etc.

Thomas W Tanner
03-20-2005, 04:34 PM
Unfortunately, SSN's are required to do business with the federal government in a lot of areas. I wish the military would go back to issuing individual serial numbers, so this ID theft problem is nipped before it really hits anybody who is in the military, the reserves, etc.

I was in the military at the time they switched from serial numbers to SSN's. Never did figure out why they did it...probably because we were in the "don't question, just do" mind set that I didn't give it much thought. It was kinda comical to recite 17 numbers as one's ID. :D

Tom...

Ms Minta Thomson
03-20-2005, 11:02 PM
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Erin Wynn 1
03-20-2005, 11:08 PM
Thank you very much for sharing all of this info! A few I knew of, a few I didn't. I'm sure it will come in quite helpful.
Erin :)

Patricia Clyne
03-22-2005, 08:50 PM
I've been shredding for a couple years now & even got my daughter to do it at the age of 19. She's as religious about it as I am. She is very frugal and private with her money and personal information. The thought of someone trying to steal her identity that she's worked so hard to develop, has made her even more focused on protecting herself. It's so nice when a child listens to a parent :D

Patti

Patricia Clyne
03-22-2005, 08:58 PM
OOPS - I also meant to say that I've used a couple of different shredders (burned them out :eek: ) and found that the cross cut shredder definitely is the best to get. The straight cuts just don't shred the information very well. I once read that the criminals have time to piece those straight cuts of paper together and POOF - they can put several pieces of your life together like a jig saw puzzle. The cross cuts make tiny pieces of paper that would be just about impossible to piece together. So the bottom line is - I highly recommend spending the few extra dollars in order to protect the larger dollars that you make per month/year.

Patti:)

Patricia Clyne
03-22-2005, 09:01 PM
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Cut Style Cross-Cut
Shred Size 5/32" x 1 3/16"
Sheet Capacity (20 lb. paper) 6 Sheets
Throat Size 8 5/8"
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Accepts credit cards Yes
Auto Start/Stop Yes
Reverse Function Yes
Full bag light indicator Yes
Bin Capacity 3.2 gallons gal.
Dimensions 12 3/5"H x 7 1/10"W x 15"D
Manufacturer Executive
Model # EPS-611X
Warranty(Full/Cutter) 1-year mfr. limited warranty

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:) M
Hi Minta,

I bought this one awhile back and love it. It's the first cross cut shredder I've owned, does a great job, and also has a credit card cutter.
Patti ;)

Joe Hassen
03-23-2005, 01:48 AM
A small note about shredding - I have been doing this for quite some time and while I think it's imperative to shred anything with your name and/or address (even prescription labels), it's also important to dispose of this the correct way. In other words, why would you go through all the trouble of shredding and then throw it in a dumpster at your apartment? (I'm sure not all dumpster divers are good people); this may not be an issue if you're using a cross-cut shredder. Anyways, I take it to my local recycling center just up the road. I somehow think that's a bit safer. A friend of mine says that he puts his shreds in with used cat litter before disposing of it permanently. Anyways, thanks and happy shredding!
Joe

Cheri Beckwith -
04-14-2005, 10:39 AM
Hi Thomas,
Thank you for the information on Social Security numbers. It is invaluable. I have been doing Skip Traces and Background Searches for my Mortgage Brokers and I know what you mean by errors made by the credit bureaus as well as other merchants that pull credit.

Unfortunately; Arizona is one of the top states for identify theft and while it is not a good thing to be recognized for, it does make us more aware of the problems here and what we need to do to correct of protect ourselves.

I have been away from "home -IPIU" for a while. :(
I've been busy with my business and have gotten a couple of steady clients. :) Therefore, my time has been otherwise engaged.

I miss not talking with everyone, :( and as yet have not had a chance to go on the Anit-Privacy "bust". I am looking forward to getting back with the "family".

Again thanks for the information.
Take Care
Cheri

Hugh Goodwyn
12-14-2005, 07:41 PM
With indentiy theft going around I think that companies should screen their employees better than what they do now.If they don't then their should be a outside agency that that sanctions them.Their are alot of bad people out there that do anything for money that don't care who their actions hurt.I have met a guy thatthis has happen to at a class of that I was takeing through the police.He then asked the police about this and they said nothing.

Hugh Goodwyn
12-14-2005, 07:43 PM
:confused: With indenity theft going around I think that companies should screen their employees better than what they do now.If they don't then their should be a outside agency that that sanctions them.Their are alot of bad people out there that do anything for money that don't care who their actions hurt.I have met a guy thatthis has happen to at a class of that I was takeing through the police.He then asked the police about this and they said nothing.

Steven Lofing
12-19-2005, 02:58 PM
Very good advice, Timmons. I, too, shred anything that has my name on it before it goes to the curb.

I strongly urge everyone to purchase a shredder & use it religiously. Just another step in protecting our identity.


I use a cross shredder, they can still piece back together anything ran through a straight shredder. By the way, it makes for great tender to start my fireplace.;)

Hugh Goodwyn
12-19-2005, 06:25 PM
When someone is shredding paper I tell "them to use a shredder then burn the paper this gets rid of the paper so it will not be piece back together later".

Lynne Knight
12-19-2005, 08:21 PM
Who has the right to ask for your digits? While any business can ask for your Social Security number, there are very few entities that can actually demand it -- motor vehicle departments, tax departments and welfare departments, for example. Also, SSNs are required for transactions involving taxes, so that means banks, brokerages, employers, and the like also have a legitimate need for your SSN. copyright 2005 MSN
Thanks, Thomas. So many people today, STILL do not hesitate to give out their numbers, even insisting on having them printed on their checks! I suspect we were all so complacent for so many years - most people who want our numbers already have them. Identity theft is flowing along quite nicely for some people, who somehow think it's their career. We must guard our privacy strongly to keep from becoming today's "LUCKY WINNER". :(

Hugh Goodwyn
12-19-2005, 08:38 PM
I have seen in the news nothing on this topic everyone should always try to keep their eyes out for this crime.