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Raoul P Sheridan
11-16-2004, 01:53 PM
<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p>Recently there have been quite a few stories in the news about the Marines in Fallujah. There was the great picture of the battle hardened Marine on the cover of the New York Post, and a few follow ups to that story. <o:p></o:p>

But the most recent story is that of a young Marine shooting a wounded insurgent. So far I have not heard a major hubbub about it in the press, but I am sure that it is only a matter of time. <o:p></o:p>

Here are my problems with this story. <o:p></o:p>

First of all this young Marine has been involved in the worst fighting since the start of the Iraqi campaign, in fact there are reports that the young man himself was shot in the face on the day preceding the incident (obviously it would have been a grazing more then anything else), also that one of the men in his platoon had been killed very recently by one of these wounded maniacs who decided to strap a bomb to himself in order to kill the American that came to investigate him. <o:p></o:p>

What is a human parasite, ahem... I mean reporter, doing in that building when this was taking place anyway? When is the military going to learn that allowing civilian reporters into a war zone, with all of the post <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:country-region><st1:place>Vietnam</st1:place></st1:country-region> anti war sentiments that prevail in the press, is an inherently bad idea? Too many careers have been lost, and lives shattered to allow this kind of “embedding” to continue in my opinion. <o:p></o:p>

In the early forties American men risked their lives and died by the thousands in the <st1:place><st1:PlaceName>Pacific</st1:PlaceName> <st1:PlaceType>Islands</st1:PlaceType></st1:place>. And young good hearted Americans learned the hard way that helping a wounded Japanese soldier was a death sentence. These poor soldiers would go to help the enemy wounded only to find them with a grenade in their hand a moment before then met their maker. After several of their buddies died they were forced to do something which was entirely against their nature, and kill the enemy wounded to ensure their own survival. <o:p></o:p>

If this young Marine and the others involved in the shooting of this insurgent/terrorist are subjected to courts martial because of this, then we have quite a bit of litigating to do considering that all of the members of “The Greatest Generation” who ever found himself shooting enemy wounded should also be tried. <o:p></o:p>

The fact is that this Marine should not be punished or even investigated. It is not murder in that sort of environment. It is prudence. There is a precedent for this kind of action in the fighting of the Pacific. <o:p></o:p>

Lets also not forget that these wounded were previously engaged in a heavy firefight with other Marine units, and were interested only in killing our American soldiers. I would personally prefer that our fighting men not take chances, because at the end of the day I would prefer that thousands of terrorists die, then just one of our Soldiers or Marines. <o:p></o:p>


I am interested to hear what other people think abotu this, </o:p>

Amalia Martinelli
11-16-2004, 02:14 PM
Raoul you said it!!

Raoul P Sheridan
11-16-2004, 03:38 PM
Thanks Amalia...
I am sorry for all of the weird arrows and symbols in the posting, it seems that cutting and pasting from MS Word does that. I can't figure out what this "fficeffice" in the beginning of the article is or how it got there. I guess I still have some learning to do on how to post.
Anyway I am glad that you agree, I just can't figure out why so many moron's hearts just bleed for these terrorists, but they don't seem to care about our men & women over there.

Angela Hettenbach
11-16-2004, 06:13 PM
Raoul, I totally agree with you. I was watching the news today and they said that to date 1,287 soldiers have died since the beginning of this war, and when I heard that I just about cried.

Sidney J Jolly -
11-16-2004, 06:58 PM
If there are no reporters embedded with the troops, or otherwise (i.e., WW-II style) with them, how are the people at home to know if what the Washington, D.C., admininstration is telling them is anything near the truth? I.e., "Bagdad Bob on the Patomac", anyone? As for bias on the parts of embedded war reporters, the biggest problem is often that they are very limited in their fields of view, to just the squad or company they are with.
U.S. Marines are supposed to follow the Rules of War (such as they are). Which includes not killing out of combat, including prisoners and wounded. But, they are human, and s*** happens, yes.

Amalia Martinelli
11-17-2004, 02:45 PM
I feel sad for the men and women who are just joining the marines, army, etc. Do they even know what their really getting themselves into? I just hope and pray that no more of our American's lives will be taken away from us and their families.

Michael Mott -
11-17-2004, 07:38 PM
Personally, my opinion (for what it's worth), the US shouldn't even have troops there. It is thier fight, let them fight amongst themselves and let our troops come home. Our nation's youth of the future are dieing for nothing. Young kids, just starting life, just starting a family, or kids even giving up careers to die for absolutely nothing. What a waste of life.

Amalia Martinelli
11-18-2004, 10:30 AM
I agree with Michael. It's not our business what they want to do over there. If they want to blow themselves up and die for a stupid cause, then let them. But of course we always have to get in the middle of everything and be the rescuers. :mad:

Leah Riley
11-18-2004, 11:20 AM
War is about killing. If the enemy is still alive you kill him first before he gets the chance to kill you. I don't see what the problem is. I saw that clip on the tv news too. That guy could have been faking being dead just long enough to roll over grab a grenade and blow everyone in that building up. He was right up against that other guy on the floor. Who knows what was in his pocket or under the other guys body, etc. We send our guys over there to fight and when they do they get criticized for it? I too think we shouldn't even be over there in the first place but since we are let's do the job.

Ken L Thompson
11-19-2004, 10:25 AM
I guess some people forget we were attacked on 911. We lost more people than Peal Harber. With that type of thought you probably think there is no terrorist threat. What will it take to convince those ? when your city or town is blown off the face of the earth. These people want to see all of us dead. Freedom is not free, we pay the untimate price. Peace is not negotiated, it is won by total defeat. To all of the Michell More's I say move to canada or spain or even better France. Too many have payed the ultimate price so you have the freemdom to say such dribble.

Ken Thompson
Vet.

Ken L Thompson
11-19-2004, 11:07 AM
I forgot to mention, I would have shout the reporter. This is war. John Kerry should have been tried as a traitor to our country.

Ken Thompson
Vet.

Raoul P Sheridan
11-19-2004, 04:02 PM
Lets keep this nice folks...
I do want to try to keep this on topic though. Whether or not you believe in what our soldiers are doing over there (and if you're curious, I think we were and still are right), I would however, like your thoughts about whether or not this young Marine should be tried for killing that insurgent.
Now I have heard arguments that dead bodies sometimes move and make strange sounds as a part of decomposition, so one method of developing reasonable doubt would be to bring that up in court.
But lets suppose that the man was in fact alive until shot by the Marine in question.
I am interested in opinons regarding that.
I hope that we can stick to facts here and leave out personal feeelings. I believe that in the circumstance the soldier was not only correct in his action, what he did was the absolute best option that he had. Keep in mind that he had recently lost a friend, to these subhuman animals through the despicable tactic of preying on those who are trying to help.
I would also appreciate it if we could keep this realistic... None of that "There is no excuse for killing for any reason" stuff. This is not an argument at the grocery store, this is war and these men are being shot at and dealing with improvised explosives every day over there.
Thanks for your opinions.

Amalia Martinelli
11-19-2004, 04:59 PM
No he should not be tried. He is over there doing his job. And his job is to kill period. No grey areas there. If they didn't want him to kill then they should of never went there.

Angela Hettenbach
11-19-2004, 08:30 PM
I agree that the marine should not be tried, to my understanding he feared for his life, so there for he did what he had to do to protect himself and his guys that were with him.

Tammy Elia
11-19-2004, 09:21 PM
Interesting thoughts everyone. Regardless of any of our opinions as to the Marine being tried or not there are a few facts to point out.

1. Reporter or no reporter we can never truly know what happened.
2. We will never truly know what the Marine or dead man were thinking or rationalizing at that time.
3. The information gathered regarding this and all the other incidents will never be de-classified enough for the public to make honest and unbiased opinions.
4. Supposition is one of the greatest roots of evil. How many wars and battles have been waged because of it?

Whether the Marine is tried or not, he will have to live with the consequences for the rest of his life. If he acted out of malice or acted upon what he knew to be true and just, it will live with him. The death of another human by ones own hand, friend or foe, is not something I wish to ever have to experience. I feel for those who are faced with it every day.
Tammy

Silvia A Andrade
11-20-2004, 10:51 PM
I agree with alot of things Raoul mentioned. I can only imagine what our troops go through in iraq. Only they know what it's like to be there, and what is going on in there heads. In the end it basically comes down to survival. I think that he should not have to go to trial. I am pretty sure that the experience of being there is hard as it is, and he probably did what he felt was right. I just hope that this does not get blown out of proportion.

Flora Porter
07-13-2005, 11:25 AM
[QUOTE=Michael Mott]Personally, my opinion (for what it's worth), the US shouldn't even have troops there. It is thier fight, let them fight amongst themselves and let our troops come home. Our nation's youth of the future are dieing for nothing. Young kids, just starting life, just starting a family, or kids even giving up careers to die for absolutely nothing. What a waste of life.[/QUOTE
The fact that our youths are Dying sadens me. :mad: